Gun Control: Florida's Stand Your Ground law caused huge spike in gun deaths

[phands]

And, worse still, Florida Dept of Law Enforcement published this chart......

Looks great at first glance, doesn't it? Until you realise that the lying bastards inverted the Y axis, and it should look like this....

Coming from Scotland where there are essentially no guns, I hold the view that guns have no place in a civilised society. I think Florida, and a good few other states, confirm this view.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can find no evidence that the FDLE is responsible for the poor graph on top.

 

[Playball40]

Just want to say that I agree with your sentiment. Not only do I not support SYG, but guns in general. That said, where in this chart is proof that SYG is the "cause" of increased gun murders? I see a correlation, but not causation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just want to say that I agree with your sentiment. Not only do I not support SYG, but guns in general. That said, where in this chart is proof that SYG is the "cause" of increased gun murders? I see a correlation, but not causation.

I'm pretty certain that chart can support any preconceived notion I may or may not have.

 

[ksen]

As any good chart should.

 

[+or-1]

Coming from Scotland where there are essentially no guns, I hold the view that guns have no place in a civilised society. I think Florida, and a good few other states, confirm this view.

Your wrong, of course. The answer to any gun issue that arises will always be more guns. Always. Jesus says so.

 

[ksen]

Verily I say unto thee, Blessed art the locked and loaded.

 

[braces_for_impact]

But, Jesus and MOses used guns to defeat the Romans!

 

[KeepTalking]

I can find no evidence that the FDLE is responsible for the poor graph on top.

That's probably because they are not responsible for the graph, rather, it was Reuter's:

http://www.joeydevilla.com/2014/04/14/lies-damned-lies-and-reuters-graph-of-florida-firearm-deaths-before-and-after-stand-your-ground/

 

[doubtingt]

Note that this chart doesn't even include murders by people like Zimmerman that the courts ruled were justified under the new law.

That makes the difference even larger. About 30 cases per get off with this defense who would have otherwise been convicted due to most victims being unarmed (note that most of those who get off never even go to trial because the prosecutors don't charge them based upon the stand your ground law). Those cases are being counted in the years before the law, but not afterwards because the person is no longer getting convicted. So an apples to apples comparison needs to add about 30 cases per year to each year after the law (or subtract that number for the years prior to the law).

Also, this is more than a simple correlation. It is a time series showing a two 7 year periods for which the DV doesn't vary much year to year within each period but changes drastically in the one year that separates the periods defined by the passing of the law. The year to year change following the law is 3 times that of the other year to year changes in either direction. Every one of the 7 years since the law is much higher than every one of the 7 years prior to the law, with the average difference being about a 40% increase in the number murders for each recent year compared to the previous 7 years.
It is quite compelling evidence that whatever the cause it was something that didn't vary in the years leading up to 2005, suddenly changed, then hasn't changed since. Their are very few causal candidates that could fit that pattern other than the 2005 law change.

 

[ksen]

lol . . . pee-hands