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Do theists sort of think that belieiving in god makes god real?

Keith&Co. said:
Tom Sawyer said:
putting some of the blame on him would be warranted.
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SOME? If he's omniscient, and did not do everything in his power to avert the problem or at least warn everyone who would be affected, then he's due quite a bit more than 'some.'

Who else COULD be to blame?
The person who rents from an omniscient landlord, stupidly believing he'd lift a finger to save her from a fire he could also have prevented? Silly woman should have installed her own smoke detectors and bought her own fire escape...
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Well, what if one of those people tracked mud into the lobby or only nodded politely to the landlord as they passed in the hall instead of taking a moment to stop and ask him about his day? They pretty much deserve to painfully burn to death in those situations and their fate is not wholly in the landlord's hands, but due to their own actions.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Keith&Co. said:
Tom Sawyer said:
putting some of the blame on him would be warranted.
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SOME? If he's omniscient, and did not do everything in his power to avert the problem or at least warn everyone who would be affected, then he's due quite a bit more than 'some.'

Who else COULD be to blame?
The person who rents from an omniscient landlord, stupidly believing he'd lift a finger to save her from a fire he could also have prevented? Silly woman should have installed her own smoke detectors and bought her own fire escape...
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Well, what if one of those people tracked mud into the lobby or only nodded politely to the landlord as they passed in the hall instead of taking a moment to stop and ask him about his day? They pretty much deserve to painfully burn to death in those situations and their fate is not wholly in the landlord's hands, but due to their own actions.
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True. Landlords won't go where they're not wanted, so if one person in the building says 'fuck the landlord,' they all deserve to die in a fire.

Which is totally an act of love, letting people choose their fates. Dads do the same thing, standing by thumbs all upass, watching kids play near sharp rocks and steep cliffs. It's totally the kid's choice to put themselves in danger. God and dads won't be pushy and force their presence if people are having fun without them... It's just logical, amiright?
 
Tom Sawyer said:
humbleman said:
In your frustration of not understanding a solid answer which includes your "Elves, Elvis and Elmos" you can't relax and get a sarcastic joke.

Storms destroying towns, hurricanes, earthquakes, cruel dictators, meteorites falling from the sky, diseases, plagues, Hillary Clinton, and lots and lots of more disgraces happening in this world, those are caused by disobedience of people.

Why you take the position of judging God?

Why such a foolish attitude of yours?

All of you are acting like the "philosopher, the ants and Mercury" story of Aesop.

A PHILOSOPHER witnessed from the shore the shipwreck of a vessel, of which the crew and passengers were all drowned. He inveighed against the injustice of Providence, which would for the sake of one criminal perchance sailing in the ship allow so many innocent persons to perish. As he was indulging in these reflections, he found himself surrounded by a whole army of Ants, near whose nest he was standing. One of them climbed up and stung him, and he immediately trampled them all to death with his foot. Mercury presented himself, and striking the Philosopher with his wand, said, “And are you indeed to make yourself a judge of the dealings of Providence, who hast thyself in a similar manner treated these poor Ants?”
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Ya, and the point of that story is that the guy really doesn’t care about the ants. He destroys them because they annoyed him and their lives really don’t matter.

However, you’re claiming that God does care about us and yet destroys us for annoying him anyways. If the central message of Christianity was that God thinks of us as ants and we all must live in terror of His Mighty Foot, that story would be relevant to the conversation. That’s not what Christianity is about, though, so how we deal with ants isn’t a relevant comparison to how God is supposed to deal with us.
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The story was told in regard of knowing that human's justice is crap and by such can't judge God with His way of judgement.

The story is also telling you that God is good, just, a great fellow, an outstanding citizen of heaven, best ruler of the universe (almost like Mr. Trump here ruling America), no bad police records, clean driving records, very creative, but a little defect: bad aim.

From the far distance of His location, every time He tries to target a sole individual, He ended with lots of people dead by collateral damage.

This is the reason the bible says to believers to get apart from sinners.
 
Wait ... what? God can't help but create collateral damage? The man is omniscient and omnipotent. He can avoid whatever damage he wants to avoid with a perfect record of doing so.

I don't know what weak and pathetic god you're talking about, but Capital-G God generally refers to the Christian guy.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Wait ... what? God can't help but create collateral damage? The man is omniscient and omnipotent.
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Not to mention, usually depicted as omnipresent. Or demi-omnipresent. Everywhere but Hell.
Or mostly omnipresent. Everywhere but Hell and around the people who don't want to know him...

Anyway, no matter his actual presence quality, hard to imagine an omnipotent being that can't move close enough to improve his shitty aim...
 
humbleman said:
The story was told in regard of knowing that human's justice is crap and by such can't judge God with His way of judgement.
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Except human's (sic) judgement (more sic) is all we have available to us to judge gods by.

Promoting a non-human being with extra-human priorities does not prevent your god from being judged a petty little prick by human standards. If you could provide this divine being's 'way of judgement (still sic), then maybe we could see how he turns out by his standards. But then again, we'd be able to judge these standards by human standards.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Wait ... what? God can't help but create collateral damage? The man is omniscient and omnipotent. He can avoid whatever damage he wants to avoid with a perfect record of doing so.

I don't know what weak and pathetic god you're talking about, but Capital-G God generally refers to the Christian guy.
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I don't mind about your assumptions to whom belong the capital "G' but such is not an established rule.

Besides, what do you know about God anyway? I said it because the only way to know and understand the biblical God is thru the bible.

For you, to understand "relativity" you must read the theory, not so what others say about the theory. You read it and you might say everything is right or, you read it and say: this is a piece of sh*t.

To criticize God in base of what others say or what you think without knowing Him, is mostly what we read in these forums: ignorance of lots of dudes about who is God.

You better read the bible first, no need of memorizing it but the need of understanding it, and later you are entitled to discuss with good foundation your positive or negative opinion about God.

Otherwise you will appear as an ignorant while I will continue dancing over your commentaries, and this is practically unjust, but this is how life is about.

For your information, as a help for your inquiries, what is going on with catastrophes here and there, the answer is in the bible with clear explanation in just few sentences in its narration (and I'm not talking about prophecies). As you probably have not read the bible, then you don't know and less can't understand the reason of why those events happen.
 
I've read the Bible. Three times cover to cover, other passages countless times. I would totally beat you in a Sword Drill.

Now what? Am I qualified to criticize it? Or are we hoping that no atheist ever read the Bible and will thus slink away chastened, leaving the apologist to chortle smugly?
 
humbleman said:
funinspace said:
humbleman said:
The Hebrew version
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So you like the generally NT Greek translated into Hebrew...interesting. Is that the 73 or 66 book version?
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Just read it and stop bothering around... sh*t... Lol.
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Why do you assume I haven't? And why would you prefer a Hebrew translation when most scholars consider most of the NT written in Koine Greek? And why won't you even state which grouping of holy books you prefer? Hey maybe you prefer the even larger Coptic version....lol

Personally, I prefer this one which includes the (generally) Protestant cast outs (but I still have my parallel NIV/KJV copy as well):
https://www.amazon.com/New-Oxford-Annotated-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289609
 
humbleman said:
Tom Sawyer said:
Wait ... what? God can't help but create collateral damage? The man is omniscient and omnipotent. He can avoid whatever damage he wants to avoid with a perfect record of doing so.

I don't know what weak and pathetic god you're talking about, but Capital-G God generally refers to the Christian guy.
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I don't mind about your assumptions to whom belong the capital "G' but such is not an established rule.

Besides, what do you know about God anyway? I said it because the only way to know and understand the biblical God is thru the bible.

For you, to understand "relativity" you must read the theory, not so what others say about the theory. You read it and you might say everything is right or, you read it and say: this is a piece of sh*t.

To criticize God in base of what others say or what you think without knowing Him, is mostly what we read in these forums: ignorance of lots of dudes about who is God.

You better read the bible first, no need of memorizing it but the need of understanding it, and later you are entitled to discuss with good foundation your positive or negative opinion about God.

Otherwise you will appear as an ignorant while I will continue dancing over your commentaries, and this is practically unjust, but this is how life is about.

For your information, as a help for your inquiries, what is going on with catastrophes here and there, the answer is in the bible with clear explanation in just few sentences in its narration (and I'm not talking about prophecies). As you probably have not read the bible, then you don't know and less can't understand the reason of why those events happen.
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Well, in order to further my knowledge about him through your expertise, let's focus on one area.

You said this:

From the far distance of His location, every time He tries to target a sole individual, He ended with lots of people dead by collateral damage.

This is the reason the bible says to believers to get apart from sinners.
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Your claim is that your deeper understanding of the nature of God due to your Biblical study is that he wants believers to stay apart from sinners because he can't help but cause collateral damage. I assume you're talking about Corinthians there. I read that to mean that God is saying to stay away from the unbelievers and the like so as not to get swayed by their impure thoughts and arguments and put your soul at risk. You seem to be saying that it should be interpreted as his saying to keep your distance from them because of the blast radius of a smiting. Could you parse out the logic behind your position on this, because I don't get that from the text.

Also, the Bible says that everyone will die for their own sins. What's the Holy Justification for God killing other people because he can't spare a few billion short eons to work on his aim before creating humanity?
 
humbleman said:
funinspace said:
So you like the generally NT Greek translated into Hebrew...interesting. Is that the 73 or 66 book version?
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Just read it and stop bothering around... sh*t... Lol.
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It's a game of keep-away, funinspace.
If he puts the arguments down where they can be critiqued, such as his grammar or spelling, we can find faults.
If he just puts down his conclusions and shifts the burden on the reader to figure out how he got there, then he can always just critique the critical posts and insult the poster, without risking anyone finding fault in his (alleged) arguments.

This is humbleman going 'straight' to the issue. He doesn't beat around the bush as much as he slips into the hedge and nests...
 
Keith&Co. said:
humbleman said:
funinspace said:
So you like the generally NT Greek translated into Hebrew...interesting. Is that the 73 or 66 book version?
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Just read it and stop bothering around... sh*t... Lol.
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It's a game of keep-away, funinspace.
If he puts the arguments down where they can be critiqued, such as his grammar or spelling, we can find faults.
If he just puts down his conclusions and shifts the burden on the reader to figure out how he got there, then he can always just critique the critical posts and insult the poster, without risking anyone finding fault in his (alleged) arguments.

This is humbleman going 'straight' to the issue. He doesn't beat around the bush as much as he slips into the hedge and nests...
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Must be jamming to the Butthole Surfer's as he slips in and out...







of those hedges and nests of course.
 
Learner said:
ruby sparks said:
How does a baby with cancer be wise?
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Don't you mean the human race as a whole or maybe even the generations of parents be wise. What have they learn't since ...since... we came from monkeys?
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No, I meant the baby. Sorry, but I don't know what the rest you mentioned has to do with it. The baby is, let's say, suffering horribly. Why?

If the baby was there beside you right now, and was hypothetically capable of understanding you, what would you tell it was the reason.

You can imagine a four-year-old if the idea of a baby understanding you seems far-fetched.
 
James Brown said:
I've read the Bible. Three times cover to cover, other passages countless times. I would totally beat you in a Sword Drill.

Now what? Am I qualified to criticize it? Or are we hoping that no atheist ever read the Bible and will thus slink away chastened, leaving the apologist to chortle smugly?
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Did you understand what you read?

Perhaps you need to read it three more times.
 
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