Socialism Is Always Doomed to Fail

[arkirk]

The opposing force to organized tyrants trying to turn people into their tools is organized labor.

As the unions have died so has any opposing force.

And the middle class has died with them.

Saying I'm a scumbag doesn't change the reality. You have to kill a lot of people to impose the sort of regime that North Vietnam did.

If the shoe fits.

What the US did in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos was a major crime against humanity. A holocaust.

Everywhere in the world this is understood except by some in the US.

The difference being that capitalist countries generally commit "war crimes" by allying with one side in a civil war that they think will benefit the capitalist country. Socialists generally suspend civil rights for their own citizens, and then send to the gulag or outright murder those who rebel.

Your commentary is extremely inaccurate. Socialism has nothing to do with suspension of human rights. You are just parroting what the mainstream press has fed you wholesale. The appeal of socialism is that it promotes democratic settling of social issues and attempts to guarantee human rights for all. The assignment of power is almost entirely a capitalistic idea. When it is applied to socialism it really is NOT A GOOD FIT. The top down assignment of power is a characteristic of capitalist domination. It is on the basis of wealth that those who buy the right to assign power can do so. Also we have recently heard on this thread that the North Vietnamese killed more civilians than the U.S. That is almost in the realm of impossible. They did not have a carpet bombing campaign in the war...ever. The U.S. did. The NVA did not have a single B-52, never napalmed a village, etc. They had far more support from the indigenous population than the U.S. could ever dream about.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The opposing force to organized tyrants trying to turn people into their tools is organized labor.

As the unions have died so has any opposing force.

And the middle class has died with them.

Saying I'm a scumbag doesn't change the reality. You have to kill a lot of people to impose the sort of regime that North Vietnam did.

If the shoe fits.

What the US did in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos was a major crime against humanity. A holocaust.

Everywhere in the world this is understood except by some in the US.

You're still sticking your fingers in your ears.

The North Vietnamese committed major atrocities against their own population to instill their insanity.

(And they're still not exactly benign. Vietnamese businesses aren't very interested in college graduates because the universities do more political indoctrination than actual useful learning.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

At work the majority is working and wants to keep working. It wants the company to last as long as possible. It does not want the company to move to China.

It wants working conditions to be as good as possible.

It wants pay and benefits to be as good as possible.

Those are some interesting baseless assumptions. Let me try to.

At work the push of supply and demand gets people to work and want to keep working. It wants the company to last as long as possible. It wants the company to actually produce something.

The push-and-pull of supply-and-demand forces conditions to be as good as possible and for as little as possible.

The push-and-pull of supply-and-demand forces pay and benefits to be as high as employees can successfully bid them.

The horror.

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Quick quiz Unter. Which of those balls were oppressing the homeless ball? Was in an-cap ball (yellow and black), agoristball (grey and black), an-com ball (black with a bandana), social democracy ball (red with flower) or democratic party ball?

Another ridiculous and insulting cartoon from you. When are you going to argue your position from an adult prespective instead of just doing this shit?

There's a lot of truth in that cartoon, how about addressing it?

 

[untermensche]

The North Vietnamese committed major atrocities against their own population to instill their insanity.

Total ignorance.

The US invaded the South, not the North.

It invaded the South because the people in the South wanted to reunite with the North.

The Vietnamese supported the North and wanted a united Vietnam and the US killed millions for it.

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There's a lot of truth in that cartoon, how about addressing it?

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

Yes, you

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[untermensche]

The slaves need to eat?

So what?

In my system no person is the slave of any other person.

They are all on the same level.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The slaves need to eat?

Which one of them is the slave?

In my system no person is the slave of any other person.

They are all on the same level.

Instead all are slaves to all.

 

[untermensche]

Instead all are slaves to all.

Gibberish.

 

[Axulus]

The North Vietnamese committed major atrocities against their own population to instill their insanity.

Total ignorance.

The US invaded the South, not the North.

It invaded the South because the people in the South wanted to reunite with the North.

The Vietnamese supported the North and wanted a united Vietnam and the US killed millions for it.

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There's a lot of truth in that cartoon, how about addressing it?

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

Ignoring/dismissing crimes of a people/country due to US committing other crimes/bad acts. In other words, nothing else matters, no matter how bad/evil, because the US has committed crimes.

Typical excuse making/dismissal that has become pervasive in your posts.

 

[untermensche]

There is a difference between the crimes of George Washington and the crimes of Stalin.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Instead all are slaves to all.

Gibberish.

Nice of you to admit your position is gibberish.

 

[untermensche]

Instead all are slaves to all.

Gibberish.

Nice of you to admit your position is gibberish.

Saying a system where everybody has one vote "all slaves to all" is insanity.

It is a system where the more educated your workplace is in general the better the decisions that will be reached.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Nice of you to admit your position is gibberish.

Saying a system where everybody has one vote "all slaves to all" is insanity.

It is a system where the more educated your workplace is in general the better the decisions that will be reached.

So describing your system accurately is insanity. Got it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The North Vietnamese committed major atrocities against their own population to instill their insanity.

Total ignorance.

The US invaded the South, not the North.

It invaded the South because the people in the South wanted to reunite with the North.

The Vietnamese supported the North and wanted a united Vietnam and the US killed millions for it.

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There's a lot of truth in that cartoon, how about addressing it?

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

You're not actually addressing anything here.

 

[dismal]

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

You're not actually addressing anything here.

You see, if you support everyone being free to do what they want to do when taking jobs or forming businesses you're "pro slavery".

If you support sending people to camps for thinking such blasphemous thoughts you're "pro freedom".

 

[arkirk]

Some have a wet dream at the thought of having slaves and paying them slave wages.

You're not actually addressing anything here.

You see, if you support everyone being free to do what they want to do when taking jobs or forming businesses you're "pro slavery".

If you support sending people to camps for thinking such blasphemous thoughts you're "pro freedom".

What you are calling "forming businesses" is actually just obligating others with debt while not adding value. Investors who are only interested in money are actually agreeing to be wage slavers (if they can get away with it). Another thing you seem to feel is an expression of "freedom" (taking a job) is actually really not freedom but the only thing a person is freely allowed to do by employers and is done because not doing so makes people hungry and desperate. Your analysis of what is going on in this sick system is appallingly shallow and full of flim flam. You and Jason picking on Untermensche accusing him of bullshit he has no interest in and nothing to do with is your way of coping with the fact that YOU HAVE NO PLAN OR MORAL GUIDANCE IN PLANNING. You are attempting to cover that up by accusing your opposition of your own attitudes. You don't care what happens to humanity, the innocent, or even the hard working. You just want to make people who have communitarian values look bad. Unfortunately for you, your vaprous arguments are clearly that...pure vapor.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I don't need to do anything to make people who have communitarian values look bad, they do a good enough job of that all on their own.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You see, if you support everyone being free to do what they want to do when taking jobs or forming businesses you're "pro slavery".

If you support sending people to camps for thinking such blasphemous thoughts you're "pro freedom".

What you are calling "forming businesses" is actually just obligating others with debt while not adding value. Investors who are only interested in money are actually agreeing to be wage slavers (if they can get away with it). Another thing you seem to feel is an expression of "freedom" (taking a job) is actually really not freedom but the only thing a person is freely allowed to do by employers and is done because not doing so makes people hungry and desperate. Your analysis of what is going on in this sick system is appallingly shallow and full of flim flam. You and Jason picking on Untermensche accusing him of bullshit he has no interest in and nothing to do with is your way of coping with the fact that YOU HAVE NO PLAN OR MORAL GUIDANCE IN PLANNING. You are attempting to cover that up by accusing your opposition of your own attitudes. You don't care what happens to humanity, the innocent, or even the hard working. You just want to make people who have communitarian values look bad. Unfortunately for you, your vaprous arguments are clearly that...pure vapor.

Obligating others with debt? New businesses almost never have debt other than anything the owner takes as personal loans--which won't go away if the business goes under.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

This one's for poor Untermensche.

 

[Elixir]

The funniest thing about fear of socialism is that while it afflicts a lot of people on the right, the vast majority of those fear-stricken conservotards would stand to benefit if wealth were more evenly distributed. In fact, if existing wealth in the US were distributed totally evenly, only about 3% would lose personal net worth while 96% would gain. Yet the vast majority of the 96% have been successfully brainwashed by The Few into believing that socialism means they have to give up their 1994 Chrysler K Car, or let some "poor" person use it.