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A thought on dealing with cases like Cosby

I think the fact that neither the proponents of this proposal can come up with an instance of false reports in these situations is strong evidence that false reports are not a problem.

We should have a presumption of innocence, not of guilt.

I live in the real world, not some fantasy world with hand-waved solution.

You live in the world of don't try.

This is not hard. Right now, a victim has two choices - make a complaint that is public or not make a complaint. If the victim is unsure about coming forward to make a public complaint, he or she may be persuaded to do so, because that is the only way to get this person.

Possibly. I think it depends on the amount of social pressure they think that they will be facing. In Cosby's case it didn't happen until victim number 60, if you are right that false complaints are not a problem.

Under your proposal, there is now a 3rd option - sealed allegation with no investigation. But a public complaint, according to the OP, draws more complaints. A sealed complaint does not.

Not my proposal. I just said it makes some sense. Yes, a public complaint does draw more complaints, but how many victims go unseen until we get that public complaint? Again, in Cosby's case, 59. Under a system like this, X could be set to 50 and still get a better result.

I haven't seen Loren write that. This looks like libel.
I seriously doubt your read everything in this forum or everything LP writes.

Truth is indeed a defence to libel, but hand waving like this isn't. You've made a very aggressive and insulting accusation and you have provided nothing to back it up. You need to be called out for that.

First, what is your evidence that police are out to screw over victims like this? Second, why would the victims be so pliable? If it is the victim's right, why wouldn't set X to what they want to.
Victims of sexual assault, especially right after the assault, are traumatized. And they are not always rational. Nor do the police necessarily or always take their complaints seriously. It is not a matter of deliberate screwing over. Even LP admits this with his statement in this thread that “Most of the time these things are kept quiet by the cops because they know it's often about revenge rather than rape.”

Again, presumption of innocence. If the complainant has presented a credible story, a lack of motive to make false allegations, or some corroborating evidence against the accused, then the police should investigate further. That isn't always the case. And if there is evidence of a motive to make a false allegation, why shouldn't that be taken into account?

And nothing precludes us from getting police oversight to discourage officers from poor behaviour.
I live in the real world, not some fantasy world with hand-waved solution.

You seriously don't think we can act to get police oversight to discourage officers from poor behaviour?

Sealing a complaint means it is not made public. Unless victims are always 100% sure of sealing a complaint or not making one at all, that means there is a chance a complaint will become public if there is no chance of sealing it. Which suggests that the option of sealing will mean, all other things equal, a longer time before this behavior goes public.

No it doesn't necessarily suggest that. If there is no choice to seal it, then there is a chance that victims who would have come forward never do.
 
And let's see what happens if we follow Loren's suggestion that the person reporting a rape gets to decide how many other potential rape victims have to come forward before a prosecution becomes possible.

Potential Victim 1 wants her report sealed until there's at least 3 other reports. Police and prosecutors won't advance the case even if there's enough evidence to charge the suspect.

Potential Victim 2 comes forward a few months later. She wants to have her report sealed until there's at least one other report. Authorities can't tie her report to Potential Victim 1's because 1's report is still sealed, so her case goes nowhere.

Potential Victim 3 comes forward a few years later and wants her case brought to trial ASAP. Her case and PV2's move forward without 1's, even though PV1's report would make the case stronger. PV1 might have the best, clearest evidence backing her claim but it's of no use whatsoever because it's still sealed away somewhere.

In what way would this stop a serial sexual offender sooner than having each accusation brought to trial as soon as sufficient evidence to support the allegation is found?

What you are missing is that each victim's case can't be brought forward to trial because many are never started with a complaint. This aims to change that.

Bill Cosby has 60 accusers once all was said and done. For the sake of argument, let's say all of those accusers were victims and that there were no false allegations. That would mean that 59 victims didn't come forward until 1 victim did so publicly. Had that 1 victim not come forward so bravely, Cosby may have never been caught. Many others like him probably aren't. Had this system been in place, these 59 victims could have made sealed complaints and set X = 59, and Cosby would have bee caught sooner. Perhaps some of them wouldn't have even made a sealed report, lets say even most. Let's shave that number down to x=25 then. Now, what if some of these allegations are false and shave it down to x = 20. We don't have research to show where X is likely to be set by victims of sealed reports, but I very much doubt it would be anywhere near as high as 20. My guess would be closer 1 or 2. So there is a clear benefit here. We would have potentially saved dozens of victims in Cosby's case.

Loren has explained the reason he's making this proposal: "The basic problem is that with a powerful, high profile person most people are afraid to say anything, figuring they can't fight the power. Hence the problem stays hidden for a long time and when someone finally comes forward then we get a flock of others joining in--and no way to be sure if the problem is real or jumping on the bandwagon for personal reasons."

He has given two reasons. His detractors are fixated on the second and are ignoring the first. Why is that?

Some problems I see with this system, and questions I have for Loren:

1. In a case like Cosby's this would catch much him quicker, but in a run of the mill case where it isn't a serial rapist and only a single rape, a good point has been raised that this gives the option to a victim who would come forth anyway to do it sealed, so nothing ever happens and the rapist isn't brought to justice. So would you modify this system to account for that? And how would you do so? It may do more harm than good overall. Does anyone here know if most rapes are one offs or serial?

2. Anonymous tip lines exist for much the same reasons as this. Would you integrate them with this? Maybe have the tip line encourage them to come forward through this system but otherwise not mention this system at police stations?

3. The logic behind this seems to apply beyond rape, and generally to crime. Would you advocate putting using this against crime bosses, etc, where people are afraid of getting killed or otherwise damaged for being witnesses against powerful people? If they knew there were other witnesses standing with them, they may come forward more readily, yes?

What is wrong with taking accusations of criminal wrong doing seriously and actually investigating, instead of engaging in victim blaming and denying that a crime took place before actually investigating? What is wrong with applying the same standards to all accused criminals instead of allowing the rich and famous to rack up multiple victims? Would you also advocate for allowing someone to avoid murder charges if he were rich enough or famous enough? How many victims before an investigation is started? How rich and how famous does a man need to be to avoid charges and rack up additional victims?
 
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Toni said:
The real ‘problem’ with Loren's scenario is that Loen lacks the courage or honesty to acknowledge that he sees the potential for false accusations rather than the Crome of rape. Rape is not a ‘problem:’ it is a crime. And indeed, it is personal

Toni said:
I am beyond sick of your pattern of imputing motive—irrelevant motive whenever I out-reason you which is any time I respond to you.
 
This is a fun new game:

Toni said:
The real ‘problem’ with Loren's scenario is that Loen lacks the courage or honesty to acknowledge that he sees the potential for false accusations rather than the Crome of rape. Rape is not a ‘problem:’ it is a crime. And indeed, it is personal

Toni said:
I am beyond sick of your pattern of imputing motive—irrelevant motive whenever I out-reason you which is any time I respond to you.

Hey, if you cannot formulate a cogent response, that’s ok. I don’t really expect much from you.
 
What is wrong with taking accusations of criminal wrong doing seriously and actually investigating, instead of engaging in victim blaming and denying that a crime took place before actually investigating?

Nothing is wrong with taking accusations of criminal wrong doing seriously and actually investigating, instead of engaging in victim blaming and denying that a crime took place before actually investigating.

You haven't explained why you think a system like this does that.

What is wrong with applying the same standards to all accused criminals instead of allowing the rich and famous to rack up multiple victims?

We should apply the same standards to all accused criminals instead of allowing the rich and famous to rack up multiple victims.

You haven't explained why you think a system like this doesn't do that.

Would you also advocate for allowing someone to avoid murder charges if he were rich enough or famous enough?

No. Would you?

How many victims before an investigation is started?

That depends on how many come forward and how quickly they do so. This sort of system addresses that directly, and encourages more to come forward and faster. At least that is the idea. We can explore its flaws, but questions like these you are asking here isn't doing that.

How rich and how famous does a man need to be to avoid charges and rack up additional victims?

I don't know. You tell me.

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This is a fun new game:

Hey, if you cannot formulate a cogent response, that’s ok. I don’t really expect much from you.

I did formulate a cogent response. I held a mirror up to you to try to encourage you to listen to yourself. That Toni in the mirror is right. You should listen to her. We all should.
 
We should have a presumption of innocence, not of guilt.
That is irrelevant and hypocritical since you are assuming some victims are guilty of making false allegations.

You live in the world of don't try.
I don't think this idea is worth trying, And I don't think a national database is feasible in the USA. But, hey, since Canada is so much more progressive and rational than the US, push for this idea in your country. 20 years or so after your success, we will have some evidence as to its effectiveness.

Not my proposal. I just said it makes some sense. Yes, a public complaint does draw more complaints, but how many victims go unseen until we get that public complaint? Again, in Cosby's case, 59. Under a system like this, X could be set to 50 and still get a better result.
Assuming the non-existent national database.


Truth is indeed a defence to libel, but hand waving like this isn't. You've made a very aggressive and insulting accusation and you have provided nothing to back it up. You need to be called out for that.
I am just following your example. The thread was some time back (An Unbelievable Story of Rape), and it post 83, he writes
Of course the police try to break down her story, they would be negligent if they didn't.
to defend the bullying by the police in this shocking case- https://www.xojane.com/issues/this-rape-victim-was-intimidated-into-recanting-her-charges-but-it-turns-out-she-really-was-raped. Perhaps you will apologize for your unfounded accusation?

Again, presumption of innocence. If the complainant has presented a credible story, a lack of motive to make false allegations, or some corroborating evidence against the accused, then the police should investigate further. That isn't always the case.
You admit there is a problem, so why are you arguing?
And if there is evidence of a motive to make a false allegation, why shouldn't that be taken into account?
You are shifting the goal posts. And taking into account does not mean doing a shoddy investigation.

You seriously don't think we can act to get police oversight to discourage officers from poor behaviour?
I think there is ample evidence in the case of dealing with rape that while it is taken a long time to get to where we are, there is still a long ways to go. For example https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/untested-rape-kits-psa_us_5a835203e4b02b66c512ec56 is a perfect example -tens of thousands of untested dna kits from rape kits across the country.

No it doesn't necessarily suggest that. If there is no choice to seal it, then there is a chance that victims who would have come forward never do.
Yes it does. You are arguing for the equivalent of "trade creation" - that sealing an allegation and no doing an investigation will lead to more people coming forward. I am arguing there is "trade diversion" - that this option will lead to some public allegations becoming sealed. I think the latter is more detrimental to the public and dealing with sexual predators than the former.
 
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That is irrelevant and hypocritical since you are assuming some victims are guilty of making false allegations.

And you are assuming that there are no false accusations. If there are no false accusations, then everyone who is accused is guilty. That mindset is a violation of their presumption of innocence.

I don't think this idea is worth trying, And I don't think a national database is feasible in the USA.

So it is a question of resources? As database technology becomes less expensive and more efficient, will your view on this change?

But, hey, since Canada is so much more progressive and rational than the US, push for this idea in your country.

I don't know if we can get enough on board to make it happen, but ok, if you insist. And yes, Canada is much more progressive and rational than the US. Thanks for saying that.

Not my proposal. I just said it makes some sense. Yes, a public complaint does draw more complaints, but how many victims go unseen until we get that public complaint? Again, in Cosby's case, 59. Under a system like this, X could be set to 50 and still get a better result.
Assuming a national database.

So you agree.

Truth is indeed a defence to libel, but hand waving like this isn't. You've made a very aggressive and insulting accusation and you have provided nothing to back it up. You need to be called out for that.
I am just following your example. The thread was some time back, it was about this shocking case - https://www.xojane.com/issues/this-rape-victim-was-intimidated-into-recanting-her-charges-but-it-turns-out-she-really-was-raped.After I find it and post it, I expect an apology from you.

I don't recall this. What did I say? If I said something libelous, then I should indeed apologize. Will you?

Again, presumption of innocence. If the complainant has presented a credible story, a lack of motive to make false allegations, or some corroborating evidence against the accused, then the police should investigate further. That isn't always the case.
You admit there is a problem, so why are you arguing?

I meant it isn't always the case that a credible story, lack of motive to make false accusations, or corroborating evidence against the accused is presented. I do also agree with you that the police don't always do a perfect job even when these are presented, but I also believe that this can be improved and isn't some grand conspiracy against victims.

And if there is evidence of a motive to make a false allegation, why shouldn't that be taken into account?
You are shifting the goal posts. And taking into account does not mean doing a shoddy investigation.

I'm not shifting any goal posts. I directly responded to what you wrote.

You seriously don't think we can act to get police oversight to discourage officers from poor behaviour?
I think there is ample evidence in the case of dealing with rape that while it is taken a long time to get to where we are, there is still a long ways to go. For example https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/untested-rape-kits-psa_us_5a835203e4b02b66c512ec56 is a perfect example -tens of thousands of untested dna kits from rape kits across the country.

Sure. There are problems. And those problems can be addressed. Those rape kits are a good place to start. Go ahead and process them.

No it doesn't necessarily suggest that. If there is no choice to seal it, then there is a chance that victims who would have come forward never do.
Yes it does. You are arguing for the equivalent of "trade creation" - that sealing an allegation and no doing an investigation will lead to more people coming forward.

No. Sealing one complaint isn't going to cause other complaints to come forward. That makes no sense at all. Is that what you think I've been writing? It is the ability for each victim to make a sealed complaint will encourage that particular victim to come forward if they wouldn't have otherwise.

I am arguing there is "trade diversion" - that this option will lead to some public allegations becoming sealed.

I think that is also true. Some who would have gone public may not if they can seal it. If there are numerous victims (exceeding their X value) it will delay an investigation. If there are too few victims, then an investigation could actually be prevented. That's a problem, absolutely, and I put that to Loren above. But the flip side, such as in a case with Cosby, the reverse is true and the lack of such a system creates vastly more victims, and many like him may never be caught but would be with such a system.

So the question then becomes is there a solution to account for both scenarios.
 
Truth is indeed a defence to libel, but hand waving like this isn't. You've made a very aggressive and insulting accusation and you have provided nothing to back it up. You need to be called out for that.
I am just following your example. The thread was some time back, it was about this shocking case - https://www.xojane.com/issues/this-rape-victim-was-intimidated-into-recanting-her-charges-but-it-turns-out-she-really-was-raped.After I find it and post it, I expect an apology from you.

I don't recall this. What did I say? If I said something libelous, then I should indeed apologize. Will you?

The following were my words?

Jolly_Penguin? said:
Of course the police try to break down her story, they would be negligent if they didn't.

Where is the libel? I didn't write that she was lying. I didn't write she didn't get raped. I wrote that the police have a job to do, which along with investigating suspects and their actions and stories, includes breaking down the stories of claimants and investigating holes in their stories. If they turn out to have been true claims as proved later, that doesn't change what the job of the police was. And them breaking down and investigating stories is not the same thing as them bullying women to recant true allegations or failing to act vigorously in their investigations. The latter is wrong, the former is right.

Now contrast to what you said regarding Loren.

But LP and other rape apologists argue that the police are doing their job when they bully women to recant true allegations or fail to act vigorously in their investigations.

He didn't say that. You haven't shown that he said that. I didn't say that either in the above, though I am sure you will decide to see it that way.
 
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Neither you nor LP can point to actual false claims in these situations, but these must somehow be a problem because we believe they must come up. That is YEC talk.

Well, not too long ago we had an allegation against a local celeb that ended up with the accuser and boyfriend being arrested for extortion.

They become public when X are filed and noticed by the police. No one has addressed how X will be monitored across jurisdictions. And the police in many areas are a real problem with their nonchalant to active discouragement of reports.

Your inability to read isn't an indication of a flaw in my proposal.

And there is nothing being added here to stop them from not sealing their record, and asking the police to act on it immediately.
Except giving them an official way of not going public.

Ah, I get it. You want to force them to report--but the reality is you end up with the current system where they don't say anything. Perfect is the enemy of good.

Police should be doing that anyway. That is not mutually exclusive from this at all.
But LP and other rape apologists argue that the police are doing their job when they bully women to recant true allegations or fail to act vigorously in their investigations. This proposal gives those police even less incentive, since they now have an official out for doing their investigations - just convince the victim to make a sealed complaint with X = 20.

Sorry, but you're the one trying to protect the rapists. I'm trying to make it easier to nail them.

This assumes that a first public report will happen. Are you so confident that it always will?
It iwll happen more frequently and quickly without the sealed option.

In other words the status quo. How well is that working??
 
The real ‘problem’ with Loren's scenario is that Loen lacks the courage or honesty to acknowledge that he sees the potential for false accusations rather than the Crome of rape. Rape is not a ‘problem:’ it is a crime. And indeed, it is personal.

In other words, what I've been saying all along--you assume all reports are real.
 
And you are assuming that there are no false accusations. If there are no false accusations, then everyone who is accused is guilty. That mindset is a violation of their presumption of innocence.
Sigh, try to focus. We are talking about a situation where there are many accusations. If some of them end up false, that does not change the underlying reality that the accuses is a sexual predator.

So it is a question of resources? As database technology becomes less expensive and more efficient, will your view on this change?
No, it is a question of willingness.

So you agree.
But there is no national database. Nor is the likely to be one.

I meant it isn't always the case that a credible story, lack of motive to make false accusations, or corroborating evidence against the accused is presented. I do also agree with you that the police don't always do a perfect job even when these are presented, but I also believe that this can be improved and isn't some grand conspiracy against victims.
No one said there was a grand conspiracy. Where do you get these straw men?

Sure. There are problems. And those problems can be addressed. Those rape kits are a good place to start. Go ahead and process them.
Hasn't been down yet, so there still a problem

No. Sealing one complaint isn't going to cause other complaints to come forward. That makes no sense at all. Is that what you think I've been writing? It is the ability for each victim to make a sealed complaint will encourage that particular victim to come forward if they wouldn't have otherwise.
That means you are arguing that the sealing option will generate more people to come forward, which is clearly what I meant in the context.
 
Well, not too long ago we had an allegation against a local celeb that ended up with the accuser and boyfriend being arrested for extortion.
This is about situations where there are many allegations, not one. Do try to keep up.
Your inability to read isn't an indication of a flaw in my proposal.
Your proposal does not call for a national database. Perhaps if you read what you wrote you could avoid embarrassing yourself with these type of responses.

And there is nothing being added here to stop them from not sealing their record, and asking the police to act on it immediately.
Except giving them an official way of not going public.

Ah, I get it. You want to force them to report--but the reality is you end up with the current system where they don't say anything. Perfect is the enemy of good.

Sorry, but you're the one trying to protect the rapists. I'm trying to make it easier to nail them.
You are trying to protect the reputation of sexual predators. Sealed allegations that are not accompanied by investigations are pretty useless. Basically you are arguing that because the police are incompetent and because sexual predators need to have their reputations protected, we need to try an inferior system.
In other words the status quo. How well is that working??
Not well. It would work better if rape apologists were not getting in the way of education and reform.
 
The following were my words?
No. They were LPs because that is what you asked for. My comment about "following your example" was making potentially libelous statements without evidence.

Now contrast to what you said regarding Loren.

But LP and other rape apologists argue that the police are doing their job when they bully women to recant true allegations or fail to act vigorously in their investigations.

He didn't say that. You haven't shown that he said that.
He wrote "Of course the police try to break down her story, they would be negligent if they didn't." And I did show it.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
So it is a question of resources? As database technology becomes less expensive and more efficient, will your view on this change?
No, it is a question of willingness.

So you agree.
But there is no national database. Nor is the likely to be one.

Because you are not willing? Seems rather circular.

Sure. There are problems. And those problems can be addressed. Those rape kits are a good place to start. Go ahead and process them.
Hasn't been down yet, so there still a problem

What hasn't been down yet? Yes, there is a problem if they haven't been processed. So process them. This isn't complicated. Things CAN be improved. Loren's suggested system is another attempt to improve things.

No. Sealing one complaint isn't going to cause other complaints to come forward. That makes no sense at all. Is that what you think I've been writing? It is the ability for each victim to make a sealed complaint will encourage that particular victim to come forward if they wouldn't have otherwise.
That means you are arguing that the sealing option will generate more people to come forward, which is clearly what I meant in the context.

It isn't what you wrote, so good of you to clarify. You have yet to address it directly. Are you saying that a sealed option would NOT encourage anybody to come forward that wouldn't have otherwise? If so, why think that? Do you see any value in anonymous tip programs like crime stoppers? I think that those are a great idea as well, and the two could be integrated.
 
No. They were LPs because that is what you asked for. My comment about "following your example" was making potentially libelous statements without evidence.

Now contrast to what you said regarding Loren.



He didn't say that. You haven't shown that he said that.
He wrote "Of course the police try to break down her story, they would be negligent if they didn't." And I did show it.


And he's correct. That is part of their job, and if they didn't do it, they would be negligent. They are tasked not only with investigating the accused, but looking at the claim for holes and contradictions in it and either finding evidence to plug and explain them or take it as an indicator that it may be a false report. That is not the same as what you alleged. Is that all you have to back your libel?

And what were you saying that I said that was libelous? I would like to apologize if I did say anything libelous. Could it be that you just made that up on the spot in an attempt to defend your bad behaviour by pointing at another (in itself a fallacy)?
 
Because you are not willing? Seems rather circular.
Only if you don't think about it.

What hasn't been down yet? Yes, there is a problem if they haven't been processed. So process them. This isn't complicated.
And yet it isn't done and won't get done by saying "Do it".

It isn't what you wrote, so good of you to clarify.
It is exactly what I wrote.
You have yet to address it directly. Are you saying that a sealed option would NOT encourage anybody to come forward that wouldn't have otherwise?
No.
 
And he's correct. That is part of their job ....
It is not part of their job to bully victims into recanting - which is exactly what happened in this case according to an independent investigator. Yet here you are defending it - just like a true rape apologist would.
And what were you saying that I said that was libelous? I would like to apologize if I did say anything libelous.
Not in this thread. Have you apologized to Toni for accusing her of raping men or for abusing children?
Could it be that you just made that up on the spot in an attempt to defend your bad behaviour by pointing at another (in itself a fallacy)?
There was no bad "behaviour" on my part. Nice try to deflect from your petty and nasty slander of claiming my true statement was potential libel.
 
The real ‘problem’ with Loren's scenario is that Loen lacks the courage or honesty to acknowledge that he sees the potential for false accusations rather than the Crome of rape. Rape is not a ‘problem:’ it is a crime. And indeed, it is personal.

In other words, what I've been saying all along--you assume all reports are real.

You assume they are all false--unless, presumably there are 4 male witnesses and/or some undefined number of other victims.

Please, Loren, quit trying to tell me what I think, believe or assume. You are never correct and it makes you look like you don't actually have cogent or coherent argument or reason.
 
And let's see what happens if we follow Loren's suggestion that the person reporting a rape gets to decide how many other potential rape victims have to come forward before a prosecution becomes possible.

Potential Victim 1 wants her report sealed until there's at least 3 other reports. Police and prosecutors won't advance the case even if there's enough evidence to charge the suspect.

Potential Victim 2 comes forward a few months later. She wants to have her report sealed until there's at least one other report. Authorities can't tie her report to Potential Victim 1's because 1's report is still sealed, so her case goes nowhere.

Potential Victim 3 comes forward a few years later and wants her case brought to trial ASAP. Her case and PV2's move forward without 1's, even though PV1's report would make the case stronger. PV1 might have the best, clearest evidence backing her claim but it's of no use whatsoever because it's still sealed away somewhere.

In what way would this stop a serial sexual offender sooner than having each accusation brought to trial as soon as sufficient evidence to support the allegation is found?

What you are missing is that each victim's case can't be brought forward to trial because many are never started with a complaint. This aims to change that.

Bill Cosby has 60 accusers once all was said and done. For the sake of argument, let's say all of those accusers were victims and that there were no false allegations. That would mean that 59 victims didn't come forward until 1 victim did so publicly. Had that 1 victim not come forward so bravely, Cosby may have never been caught. Many others like him probably aren't. Had this system been in place, these 59 victims could have made sealed complaints and set X = 59, and Cosby would have bee caught sooner.

It takes just as much courage to make the 20th report as it does to make the first when the existence of 19 others is a secret.

This proposed system of concealing the reports won't encourage anyone to take on a powerful, popular figure like Cosby or Savile or Sandusky. What will encourage victims to come forward is something like the #MeToo movement, where victims know they aren't the only ones and they know their reports are being taken seriously.

Perhaps some of them wouldn't have even made a sealed report, lets say even most. Let's shave that number down to x=25 then. Now, what if some of these allegations are false and shave it down to x = 20. We don't have research to show where X is likely to be set by victims of sealed reports, but I very much doubt it would be anywhere near as high as 20. My guess would be closer 1 or 2. So there is a clear benefit here. We would have potentially saved dozens of victims in Cosby's case.

How about this instead: people reporting rape and sexual assault are routinely granted anonymity unless and until the case proceeds to trial, at which point they have to be identified in order to respect the right of the accused to face his/her accuser. The report itself is never hidden, and is always available to LEOs and Prosecutors investigating criminal complaints. And people with no experience in police or legal matters and no oath to uphold the law don't get to decide if and when crimes are prosecuted.

IOW, what we have now but with stronger guarantees of anonymity for victims until a case goes to trial.
 
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