God Is A Psychopath

[abaddon]

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[atrib]

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[steve_bank]

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[DBT]

Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.

God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.

The Bible tells us that God is the Author of Evil.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And then he came up with a way to solve this problem he’d created.

It’s like when the mafia comes up with a simple payment plan to solve the problem of your business being at risk of getting set on fire.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.

God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.

How about not treating us all as idiots? This is a famous problem within religion, you must surely be aware of? The pagans solved it with that the gods aren't good. The Christians never solved it. It must be common knowledge to all Christians? Right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy

Another solution is that life on Earth is a test, and the real life is life in the afterlife. But that collapses because it's based entirely on faith. Faith that goes against available evidence. It's like buying a car that turns out to be defective, but instead of getting it fixed you still have faith that it'll spontaneously start working any day now.

 

[Keith&Co.]

They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.

Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?
Winning souls or arguments wasn't necessary, just show up.

 

[Lion IRC]

Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.

God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.

See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.

If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.

You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.

I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.

Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him

 

[DBT]

See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.

If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.

You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.

I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.

Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him

What do you say about the bible describing God as the Author of Evil? Free Will is a cop out. People make choices, good and bad, for a lot of different reasons.

 

[steve_bank]

They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.

Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?
Winning souls or arguments wasn't necessary, just show up.

I think I remember that one.

 

[DrZoidberg]

They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.

Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?
Winning souls or arguments wasn't necessary, just show up.

I think I remember that one.

I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that

 

[phands]

I think I remember that one.

I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that

I respect some of the courage to try to see others' viewpoints, but I loathe the twerps who come here to proselytize and inform us that we're wrong/sinners/doomed to hell/blasphemers.... I would never do that on an xtian forum.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think I remember that one.

I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that

...unless they refuse to shake hands.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.

If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.

You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.

I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.

Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him

My atheology argument is based strictly on claims made about God. God created everything. And so logically, God must design us. And our moral natures. Our free will logically, is constrained by our nature. If God is good, why would God create beings with less than good moral nature? Because God must make a choice as to what moral nature we have. God cannot dodge doing that.

Yes our free will is constrained by our moral nature, which God necessarily must choose. It is thus impossible to create sentient beings with true libertarian free will. No matter how God decides to create us, our free will must be constrained by our moral nature.

One could argue that God can do the impossible, and can create man with a moral nature that does not constrain man's free will, but that is rank special pleading and a rank abandonment of rationality and logic, which is no way to claim theology is rational or reasonable.

I can guarantee you no atheist will follow you there.

 

[steve_bank]

I think I remember that one.

I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that

...unless they refuse to shake hands.

The reports I remember is that when we venture onto Christian and creationist forums we do not last long before being thrown out. I never bothered to post on one figuring that no matter how objectively and respectively I posted I would not last long.

 

[phands]

...unless they refuse to shake hands.

The reports I remember is that when we venture onto Christian and creationist forums we do not last long before being thrown out. I never bothered to post on one figuring that no matter how objectively and respectively I posted I would not last long.

Yeah...you can't even have the conversation.

 

[Keith&Co.]

...unless they refuse to shake hands.

The reports I remember is that when we venture onto Christian and creationist forums we do not last long before being thrown out. I never bothered to post on one figuring that no matter how objectively and respectively I posted I would not last long.

I have been banned even before I posted anything, because they thought my Login ID was too atheistic. The email warned me not to try logging in with another name because God gave then discernment.

Also, they probably made note of my ISP, but whatever.

 

[Lion IRC]

See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.

If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.

You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.

I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.

Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him

My atheology argument is based strictly on claims made about God. God created everything. And so logically, God must design us. And our moral natures.

There is no "moral nature" without the freedom to choose between good or evil.
A dishwasher isn't doing anyone an altruistic favor by washing their dishes. It didn't choose to help out around the kitchen.

Our free will logically, is constrained by our nature.

No, no, no. That's self-contradictory. An oxymoron. "Constrained" by our free will ???
A being that is constrained - by its nature - to only ever act a certain way would entirely remove the moral dimension of its behaviour. You're asking God why He didn't create us with a universal, involuntary compulsion to act 'good' while, at the same time, having a "moral nature" that entails the ability to choose good or evil.
That's incoherent.

 

[phands]

Also, they probably made note of my ISP, but whatever.

If it's VBulletin based, it shows your IP address to the staff. I know this because I was a mod at SC, and I now run an AWS hosted VBulletin instance for my company.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Also, they probably made note of my ISP, but whatever.

If it's VBulletin based, it shows your IP address to the staff. .

That was kinda my point...
THe guys that banned me, and promised to ban me on sight in the future, their ability to do so could be explained totally without resorting to supermagic discernment gifts.