Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.
God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.
Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.
God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.
Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.
Then again, if God was omniscient and wanted to figure out a way to logically get around the Problem of Evil, he'd be able to do that .. you know, with his being omniscient and all.
God has already given us the solution to evil.
What He doesn't do is force us to accept it.
See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.
If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.
See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.
If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.
You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.
I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.
Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him
Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.
Winning souls or arguments wasn't necessary, just show up.
Wasn't there someone who was here because his professor gave credit for anyone delving into a den of atheists to bravely wave the Christain Flag?They used to cme in waves. It was like they were making the rounds. Like it was a rite of passage to do battle on forums.
Winning souls or arguments wasn't necessary, just show up.
I think I remember that one.
I think I remember that one.
I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that
I think I remember that one.
I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that
See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.
If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.
You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.
I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.
Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him
I think I remember that one.
I still respect that. It's always cool to venture into the "other side". I'll always respect that
...unless they refuse to shake hands.
...unless they refuse to shake hands.
The reports I remember is that when we venture onto Christian and creationist forums we do not last long before being thrown out. I never bothered to post on one figuring that no matter how objectively and respectively I posted I would not last long.
I have been banned even before I posted anything, because they thought my Login ID was too atheistic. The email warned me not to try logging in with another name because God gave then discernment....unless they refuse to shake hands.
The reports I remember is that when we venture onto Christian and creationist forums we do not last long before being thrown out. I never bothered to post on one figuring that no matter how objectively and respectively I posted I would not last long.
See my post #59. If God is good and God creates us, he must design us, including our moral nature. Good, indifferent or bad. That constrains our free will. Why then don't all humans have a morally good nature that they freely choose to follow? This free will defense is not viable.If God does not create man with a good moral nature, our free will is constrained to do evil. God cannot escape blame for all moral evil.
You have to construct a coherent theology (atheology) in which God can't create (initially good or neutral) beings with free will who can freely choose to disobey His commandments - ie. be evil contrary to Gods will.
I see no theological impediment to a loving God doing this. In fact, I can't see any alternative apart from free will. Why would God create robots then punish/reward them for doing exactly what He pre-programmed them to do.
Remember - God is ALL powerful. Nothing can go wrong if humans go rogue and turn against Him
My atheology argument is based strictly on claims made about God. God created everything. And so logically, God must design us. And our moral natures.
Our free will logically, is constrained by our nature.
Also, they probably made note of my ISP, but whatever.
That was kinda my point...Also, they probably made note of my ISP, but whatever.
If it's VBulletin based, it shows your IP address to the staff. .