If Trump wins reelection, will there be a civil war?

[Jolly_Penguin]

If and when Trump wins in 2020, what will happen in the Democrats? Launching a civil war? Dissolving forever as a party? Mass exodus to Canada? Canadians really need to build that wall.

 

[Lion IRC]

No, of course not. Don't be silly.
...especially after his kind and gracious words of consolation to that lovely man Kavanaugh who I'm sure will make a fantastic Justice of the Supreme Court of The United States of America. How many federal judges has Mr Trump appointed for life? 18? 19? What a legacy.

And let's not forget the precedent which has been set now for SCOTUS confirmations. Presumptions of innocence. Natural justice. No more gossipy, partisan attacks on nominees based purely on the belated, nick-of-time memory recall, after 30 years, of those who would besmirch the reputation of such a fine man. No more 'trial by year book' for nominees who happened to be frat boy dude bro's and - horror of horrors - drank beer and thought that yes meant yes when it came to drunken dorm parties and casual sex with their high IQ and highly liberated female peers.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

 

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By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

Trump, lose? Haha!

 

[Harry Bosch]

By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

I think that it will depend on who is the democrat and how motivated dems are. If we elect another boring policy wonk, we're in big trouble.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If and when Trump wins in 2020, what will happen in the Democrats? Launching a civil war? Dissolving forever as a party? Mass exodus to Canada? Canadians really need to build that wall.

Well, the seeds are already being sown by the Trump Admin that if the GOP loses in 2018, it'll be the Chinese's fault. And let's not forget that Trump kept claiming that only fixing the vote would elect Clinton in '16.

The Dems? America probably won't be worth living in much longer if the nation elects Trump again. We had to endure two terms of W already. Of course, once the Stagflation sets in, it'll be time for the nation ask the adults to run the country again, and when it is fixed, they'll put on the lampshade, scream "PARTY!!!", and vote Republican again.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

Trump, lose? Haha!

Without women and minorities? Sure, that's entirely possible.

And not only is he losing women, he's losing Hispanics as well. And quite frankly, it's not just that he's losing them; he's alienating them, meaning that they'll be more likely to actively vote against him.

That's if he makes it to 2020.

I personally hope he does. Rather than a political removal process, I would like to see his removal by the plainly-expressed will of the people. I also think the people who voted for him ought to drink every last drop of their mistake and enjoy every misdeed and shitty policy of his.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

Trump, lose? Haha!

Without women and minorities? Sure, that's entirely possible.

Yet, the GOP has seen gains with Republican women since the Kavanaugh thing. It is surreal! But we saw this after the video came out with Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women.

And not only is he losing women, he's losing Hispanics as well. And quite frankly, it's not just that he's losing them; he's alienating them, meaning that they'll be more likely to actively vote against him.

If you have some polls on the women, I'd like to see them.

That's if he makes it to 2020.

I personally hope he does. Rather than a political removal process, I would like to see his removal by the plainly-expressed will of the people. I also think the people who voted for him ought to drink every last drop of their mistake and enjoy every misdeed and shitty policy of his.

It all comes down to the courts. The conservatives will vote for any guy that'll put far right wing justices on the bench.

 

[southernhybrid]

No, there won't be a civil war because for one thing, the conservatives have most of the guns. Besides that, Trump would just send out troops to mow down anyone who tried to engage in a civil war. The idea is stupid. The only power we have is the vote. The best we can hope for is a fair election with voting equipment that isn't that easy to hack. I think Trump might die or become impaired from a heart attack or stroke before 2020 or his early signs of cognitive decline might progress to full blown dementia. We've already had one president that suffered from dementia during much of his second term. We don't need another one. The election is 2 years away. A lot can happen before then.

 

[phands]

A civil war would end the USA in a massive bloodbath because of the sheer idiocy of the gun laws.

An alternative - hopefully a preferable one is for sane states to stop paying for insane ones by putting CalExit and NYExit (at least) into effect. Leave all the insane xtian states to annihilate themselves and each other, and stop subsidizing them.

 

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By 2020, Trump fatigue will be so dominant in our culture, Trump will lose, badly. He is driving women out of the GOP in large masses. As is, his approval rating is 52% negative, only 42.5% positive. When he goes down, he will drag the GOP down with him. He's a one term president.

Trump, lose? Haha!

Without women and minorities? Sure, that's entirely possible.

And not only is he losing women, he's losing Hispanics as well. And quite frankly, it's not just that he's losing them; he's alienating them, meaning that they'll be more likely to actively vote against him.

That's if he makes it to 2020.

I personally hope he does. Rather than a political removal process, I would like to see his removal by the plainly-expressed will of the people. I also think the people who voted for him ought to drink every last drop of their mistake and enjoy every misdeed and shitty policy of his.

But they won't vote against him. That's because of laziness. Without a candidate to vote for, lazy people will be the reason for low voter turnout. That's why Hillary lost.

People who go up against Trump lose. He could lose (and lose big), but that requires an aligning of things that just won't materialize.

 

[phands]

That's why Hillary lost.

We know you don't want to hear it, but Hillary won by 3Million votes. She lost the election because of cheating . (gerrymandering and disenfranchising by gop, etc), Russian interference, and the Electoral College which even the orange nazi is on record saying is a bad thing.

Interestingly, there seems to be evidence that the Russians have not (so far) been caught meddling in the 2018 elections. They may be more sophisticated now, and are avoiding detection, or more likely, trumpo has proven such a bad asset that they're letting him sink this time.

 

[Patooka]

If and when Trump wins in 2020, what will happen in the Democrats? Launching a civil war? Dissolving forever as a party? Mass exodus to Canada? Canadians really need to build that wall.

Yes. Compared to Trump's Republican party, it's the Democrats who are going to act irrationally if they lose an election. Are you fucking serious? Trump won the presidency and still cried "cheating!" like an infant. Win, lose or draw it won't matter how the Democrats react, it will be the mature response out of the two available options.

 

[whollygoats]

Doubtful.

What I suspect may happen is that the level of frustration will become so high, that those who have little left to lose and have lost all hope, will clutch at political assassination and pointed, but senseless, terrorism as a response. That, of course, will create more martyrs for the attacked and provide a rationale for even more horrific suppression. I am not positive about the track forward.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

There were a lot of stupids who didn't like Clinton and didn't support her in three states that gave Trump victory by only 77K votes. They thought, "If Trump wins, so what, how bad can he be really?" Now that sort of person knows better. Things got very bad indeed. Those who were apathetic and didn't follow politics and didn't vote are now realizing that is not a good option. 2020 is going to be very, very different.

 

[ZiprHead]

JP, why would you ask this question in such a way? The only people talking about taking up arms for a "civil war" are the right wing extremists.

Is this just a roundabout way of you spreading bullshit again?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

... and the Electoral College which even the orange nazi is on record saying is a bad thing.

But where is the outcry to get rid of it? *crickets*

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

JP, why would you ask this question in such a way? The only people talking about taking up arms for a "civil war" are the right wing extremists.

It is the follow up thread and opposite of the Trump Outrage Fatigue thread I started earlier.

So far we've had one poster here respond by saying they want NYexit and Calexit to pick up steam. Do we think the Republicans would let them separate peacefully from the union?

 

[Jarhyn]

... and the Electoral College which even the orange nazi is on record saying is a bad thing.

But where is the outcry to get rid of it? *crickets*

There have been many eruptions of such outcry. There just aren't any right NOW because while we all generally think that it should be abolished, there are other more pressing matters to attend o such as the GOP coup

 

[ZiprHead]

... and the Electoral College which even the orange nazi is on record saying is a bad thing.

But where is the outcry to get rid of it? *crickets*

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Amending the US Constitution is extremely difficult. The right wing in the US has used it to steal two elections, it is to their advantage the EC stays right where it is. They will fight tooth and nail to keep it and keep minority rule.

https://www.google.com/search?q=remove+the+electoral+college&oq=remove+the+electoral&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.15698j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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JP, why would you ask this question in such a way? The only people talking about taking up arms for a "civil war" are the right wing extremists.

It is the follow up thread and opposite of the Trump Outrage Fatigue thread I started earlier.

So far we've had one poster here respond by saying they want NYexit and Calexit to pick up steam. Do we think the Republicans would let them separate peacefully from the union?

I think the right wing base would love to see them go.