repoman
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This guy is old school radical, but what he says seems to make sense
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Greg Palast on Venezuela
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barbos
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Nobody is a good guy in this Venezuela debacle.
untermensche
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I don't feel like you're hurting my point.
untermensche
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Yes, people who know facts are idiots in your strange strange world. Your cocoon of delusion.
So, wait, if you think democracy produced Maduro why didn't you bring that up on your list of bad things democracy has done?
untermensche
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Capitalism is what made things bad in Venezuela.
Before Chavez Venezuela was a sick apartheid state for decades. Trying to unravel that has made the capitalists angry.
Democracy has not made things bad in Venezuela.
Democracy is the only chance for things to get good.
This is one problem when you don't have a parliamentary system. You can be stuck with bad decision makers.
One problem with Venezuelan democracy is it is too much like the US which has a president that is too much like a king.
A sick fuck that claims there is a national emergency when things in terms of illegal immigration are getting better.
I'm sure the people of Venezuela will feel good about that, particularly given the last time they elected a super-majority of the opposition to the legislature, Maduro responded by declaring the legislature null and void.
untermensche
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Yes, and in the US more people voted for Gore and Hillary yet the Republicans held the power of the executive.
Shitty democracy sucks.
Democracy has to be about much more than voting.
And of course schemes that subvert the popular will, at least of those who voted, are undemocratic.
Yes, but Haiti and Mexico.
untermensche
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One thing we know is capitalism doesn't seem to work at all for a lot of people there.
repoman
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In 20 years from now, will it be the mainstream view that the current meddling was similar to what the US in the 1950s in Central America? By that point it will be academic.
I'm pretty sure the mainstream view will be just as it is now. That Venezuela fucked itself with idiotic economic policies.
I think we can be confident the policies will not become less idiotic with time.
I'm working on a program for a bank which uses foreign currency exchange rates. Seeing the rate for the Venezuelan Bolivar in the list with all the other world currency really hammers home how trashed that country's economy has become.
I have a bunch of 5000 bolivar notes I acquired in my travels. This seems pretty impressive, but I think I just kept them because the fee to change out of them was more than the US dollar value.
Of course, I think there has been a 1-to-1000 and a 1-to-100,000 devaluation since then, so each of these 5000 bolivar notes would be worth .00005 of today's bolivars. Thanks Chavez!
Now, now. Please remember to place all the blame on the US government where it belongs.
Effin' Joe Biden, right?
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...lization-Plans-Says-Maduro-20150202-0006.html
Any old white man is interchangeable with any other, so I guess that would be fine.
untermensche
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You can't possibly be sure about any of that.
Do you know what covert activities the US has conducted? Did your mentor Donny tell you?
We know the US supported a coup that shot innocent protestors in the streets.
You are talking out your ass.
As usual.