Hamas showing they target civilians

[Loren Pechtel]

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1125073700930433025

The fact that they are showing it off indicates it's what they wanted to do--kill civilians.

(And the video is a fraud, anyway, it's not of the incident they claim it is.)

 

[Arctish]

Hebrew media spreads fake Hamas video claiming to show deadly missile strike

A Hamas video that falsely claimed to show an anti-tank missile attack on an Israeli vehicle near Gaza on Sunday was widely circulated by Hebrew-language media, though the footage contained elements that were clearly not filmed during this week’s flareup of violence.

Gazan terrorists did shoot a Kornet anti-tank missile at Israeli civilian vehicle Sunday, killing 68-year-old Moshe Feder, but a train seen in the footage and the vehicle seen being hit in the video make clear that the clip is not of that incident...

... The video begins with text saying that the footage is of an attack on an Israeli military vehicle on Sunday.

Apparently, Hamas is claiming they attacked a military vehicle when in fact, the car was being driven by a civilain. That's not evidence they deliberately target civilians.

 

[laughing dog]

Data shows that the IDF kills or injures substantially more Palestinian civilians than Hamas kills or injures Israeli civilians. Which is worse - killing or injuring more innocents as collateral damage vs killing or injuring far fewer on purpose?

 

[Worldtraveller]

Data shows that the IDF kills or injures substantially more Palestinian civilians than Hamas kills or injures Israeli civilians. Which is worse - killing or injuring more innocents as collateral damage vs killing or injuring far fewer on purpose?

Yeah, I was going to point this out too, but I suspect I know LP's answer.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Data shows that the IDF kills or injures substantially more Palestinian civilians than Hamas kills or injures Israeli civilians. Which is worse - killing or injuring more innocents as collateral damage vs killing or injuring far fewer on purpose?

Data shows that the IDF kills or injures substantially more Palestinian civilians than Hamas kills or injures Israeli civilians. Which is worse - killing or injuring more innocents as collateral damage vs killing or injuring far fewer on purpose?

Yeah, I was going to point this out too, but I suspect I know LP's answer.

This isn't a sporting event. The number killed isn't relevant.

What is much more relevant is the ratio of combatants to civilians--and in that regard the IDF has the best record in the world despite facing opponents who use human shield tactics.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Yeah, I was going to point this out too, but I suspect I know LP's answer.

This isn't a sporting event. The number killed isn't relevant.

Why don't you go over there and tell them that.

What is much more relevant is the ratio of combatants to civilians--and in that regard the IDF has the best record in the world despite facing opponents who use human shield tactics.

I see. You are now the personal arbiter of what the acceptable collateral damage is in war? And note that there is one side on this conflict that has a ridiculously powerful military compared to the other. Are you really dumb enough to think they would use standard tactics and not guerrilla style warfare (I don't buy the bullshit about human shields.)? Every country does that. It's only when other countries we don't like that do it that we call it 'using human shields' or other BS terms.

Now, go find some actual statistics to back up your assertions.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, I was going to point this out too, but I suspect I know LP's answer.

This isn't a sporting event. The number killed isn't relevant.

Sorry, but who is killed does matter to those who lost an innocent civilian. And the reality is that despite all of your attempts to blow smoke, the IDF kills and injures many more civilians than all the Palestinian terrorists combined.

What is much more relevant is the ratio of combatants to civilians--and in that regard the IDF has the best record in the world despite facing opponents who use human shield tactics.

The IDF's intent or civilian/combatant ratios do not change that the fact that the IDF is bigger threat to innocent lives than Palestinian terrorists. Contrary to your apparent view: innocent lives matter regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sorry, but who is killed does matter to those who lost an innocent civilian. And the reality is that despite all of your attempts to blow smoke, the IDF kills and injures many more civilians than all the Palestinian terrorists combined.

What is much more relevant is the ratio of combatants to civilians--and in that regard the IDF has the best record in the world despite facing opponents who use human shield tactics.

The IDF's intent or civilian/combatant ratios do not change that the fact that the IDF is bigger threat to innocent lives than Palestinian terrorists. Contrary to your apparent view: innocent lives matter regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

It's not unusual for Hamas rockets to kill more Palestinians than Israelis. Who is the greater threat?

 

[laughing dog]

Sorry, but who is killed does matter to those who lost an innocent civilian. And the reality is that despite all of your attempts to blow smoke, the IDF kills and injures many more civilians than all the Palestinian terrorists combined.

What is much more relevant is the ratio of combatants to civilians--and in that regard the IDF has the best record in the world despite facing opponents who use human shield tactics.

The IDF's intent or civilian/combatant ratios do not change that the fact that the IDF is bigger threat to innocent lives than Palestinian terrorists. Contrary to your apparent view: innocent lives matter regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

It's not unusual for Hamas rockets to kill more Palestinians than Israelis. Who is the greater threat?

No matter how much you try, you cannot change the reality that the IDF kills and injures more innocent civilians than Hamas. That does not absolve Hamas of its deeds nor does it justify Hamas's or anyone else's terrorism.

But no matter how much you try to change the subject, the IDF is responsible for it tactics and the results.

The difference between my view and your view is that I do not justify the killing of innocents by anyone but you do.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not unusual for Hamas rockets to kill more Palestinians than Israelis. Who is the greater threat?

No matter how much you try, you cannot change the reality that the IDF kills and injures more innocent civilians than Hamas. That does not absolve Hamas of its deeds nor does it justify Hamas's or anyone else's terrorism.

But no matter how much you try to change the subject, the IDF is responsible for it tactics and the results.

The difference between my view and your view is that I do not justify the killing of innocents by anyone but you do.

You're still ignoring the fact that the important thing is the ratio, not the total numbers. Numbers prove who is effective, not whether they are accurate.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not unusual for Hamas rockets to kill more Palestinians than Israelis. Who is the greater threat?

No matter how much you try, you cannot change the reality that the IDF kills and injures more innocent civilians than Hamas. That does not absolve Hamas of its deeds nor does it justify Hamas's or anyone else's terrorism.

But no matter how much you try to change the subject, the IDF is responsible for it tactics and the results.

The difference between my view and your view is that I do not justify the killing of innocents by anyone but you do.

You're still ignoring the fact that the important thing is the ratio, not the total numbers. Numbers prove who is effective, not whether they are accurate.

So you do agree that the IDF is effective in killing and injuring civilians than Hamas.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're still ignoring the fact that the important thing is the ratio, not the total numbers. Numbers prove who is effective, not whether they are accurate.

So you do agree that the IDF is effective in killing and injuring civilians than Hamas.

You're so determined to twist everything, are you a motor??

The IDF is far more effective at killing it's targets: Hamas.

 

[laughing dog]

You're still ignoring the fact that the important thing is the ratio, not the total numbers. Numbers prove who is effective, not whether they are accurate.

So you do agree that the IDF is effective in killing and injuring civilians than Hamas.

You're so determined to twist everything, are you a motor??

The IDF is far more effective at killing it's targets: Hamas.

No one disputes that. The IDF is also more deadly than Hamas when it comes to killing civilians which is something you wish to ignore.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're so determined to twist everything, are you a motor??

The IDF is far more effective at killing it's targets: Hamas.

No one disputes that. The IDF is also more deadly than Hamas when it comes to killing civilians which is something you wish to ignore.

Cops kill more criminals than criminals kill cops.

Therefore criminals are the good guys.

 

[laughing dog]

You're so determined to twist everything, are you a motor??

The IDF is far more effective at killing it's targets: Hamas.

No one disputes that. The IDF is also more deadly than Hamas when it comes to killing civilians which is something you wish to ignore.

Cops kill more criminals than criminals kill cops.

Therefore criminals are the good guys.

Your analogy is only appropriate under the bigoted condition that Palestinian civilians are criminals.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cops kill more criminals than criminals kill cops.

Therefore criminals are the good guys.

Your analogy is only appropriate under the bigoted condition that Palestinian civilians are criminals.

You are saying the number dead is what matters, you didn't put any other conditions on it.

Your later attempt to put conditions on its shows your original was a knowingly false claim.

 

[laughing dog]

Cops kill more criminals than criminals kill cops.

Therefore criminals are the good guys.

Your analogy is only appropriate under the bigoted condition that Palestinian civilians are criminals.

You are saying the number dead is what matters, you didn't put any other conditions on it.

Your later attempt to put conditions on its shows your original was a knowingly false claim.

My first post referred to civilians. Rather than delve into the possible causes for your easily avoided blunder, are you essentially agreeing that your analogy was incredibly bigoted?

 

[Worldtraveller]

You are saying the number dead is what matters, you didn't put any other conditions on it.

Your later attempt to put conditions on its shows your original was a knowingly false claim.

My first post referred to civilians. Rather than delve into the possible causes for your easily avoided blunder, are you essentially agreeing that your analogy was incredibly bigoted?

Which is something I think we can all agree on.