Do Democrats Realize They Are The Party Of Racism?

[Keith&Co.]

You know, if you object to 'the'

'Some.'

white people trying to have a white pride month screaming for an equal opportunity to rise above victimhood, and would rather they not do it,

I dunno if I'd rather they not do it. They just look so frightened. Like the Christains who are stopped from discriminating against gays, and claim that THAT discriminates against them. They're just so fragile.

you might want to think about whether it's a good idea to repeat shrink-wrapped trumped-up ad hominems against them. How hard can that be?

Oh, so there were no places where the three restrooms were men, women and colored? That's trumped up?
So, so fragile.

Or can you actually point out any of the white people trying to have a white pride month who actually did any of the things you just accused them of?

Oooooh. I see where you're coming from.
But then, rather than that, wouldn't it make more sense for the whites who feel a need to have a pride month, shouldn't THEY justify what it is they're in need of a 'pride' celebration for?

Do you have any evidence that Half-Life, or any of the other white people trying to have a white pride month etc., in point of fact enslaved anyone, lynched anyone, enacted Jim Crow laws, instituted institutional racism, or made anybody use "colored bathrooms"? You can't? Then don't say they did.

Never said they did.
Just said that those who are not white, not straight, those people feel a need to celebrate pride because of a history of oppression, a reaction to the attitudes that persist.

The only oppression I see being inflicted on straight whites is that they're not allowed to discriminate against others right now.

Being falsely accused is the sort of thing that tends to get people's backs up. It only reinforces their feeling that it's open season on whatever group you're maligning.

So, so fragile.

When you falsely accuse somebody of crapping on blacks, and you imply it's okay to falsely accuse him of crapping on blacks because his skin is the same color as entirely different people who crapped on blacks and that makes it okay, you are defining him as a lesser being.

Um, no. No, I never said that Half-Life or anyone else here owned slaves or even wears a Klan hood.

I HAVE asked, specifically, what are they reacting to if they want a pride event the same way the blacks and gays do.

So if you would prefer that he stop having his "I won't let you define me as a lesser being" reaction, stop defining him as a lesser being.

God damn, so fucking fragile.

Keith: Some Whites Did Bad Things.
Other whites: HEY! You stop talking shit about my mother!

 

[Keith&Co.]

So, let me see if my scorecard is up to date. For years, the conservatives have bemoaned all the sex on tv. It's not appropriate for being someplace where kids hear about it. Thry double down on bitching about all the gay sex on tv, in movies, in the headlines. Many have said they don't care if guys play buttdarts, but don't 'shove it in my face.'
And now some want to, insist on, 'shoving their sexuality in everyone's face.' They want it out there, for kids to see.
The same kids that had to be protected from the knowledge that gay people exist. You know, kids of the people who whined 'If there are two guys kissing in public, how am i going to explain that?' Honesty not being an option, evidently, one has to wonder if these kids are going to ask, 'Daddy, what is a hetrosechshul?' Or 'Mommy, why doesn't everyone march in the hettersexall pride parade?' and what the non-explicit answer will be.

At the same time, some people have been complaining since, to my certain knowledge, Star Trek: The Next Generation about diversity for the sake of diversity as a liberal plot. I have heard objections to unnecessarily black Klingons, Vulcans, mutants, Norse Gods, and even disgust at the discussion of a black actor as James Bond. One guy dismissed the entire Star Wars franchise because of one scene. First time we see one character without his helmet, it's in close-up. This commenter used to like Star Wars, he swears, until they made 'such a big deal' about him being black, with 'his black skin and big lips right in my face, coming out of the screen.' He's not racist, but jeez, people, the ra ce mixers have taken over Stsr Wars.
Liberals are the ones, i have been told, even on THIS forum, who a re the ones making a big deal out of race.
So some want a White Pride day/month/parade in order to make a big deal out of their race. For, um, equality. They want to be equal in something they wanted to prevrnt....

 

[Bomb#20]

Keith: Some Whites Did Bad Things.
Other whites: HEY! You stop talking <expletive deleted> about my mother!

Can you point out where you said Half-Life's mother was pathetic and was so so fragile and was complaining because she's not allowed to discriminate against others right now?

Apparently you read a LOT into other people's posts. I cannot even follow half of your replies.

Possibly, you're confused by the use of 'you' in the same manner Americans regularly use 'they,' a hypothetical pronoun. Sorry if i was unclear.
But you just completely miss the entire point of my closing. I just can't even, in this conversation.

Nah, I got the point of your closing. The point of your closing was to summarize how the debate with the white-pride folks had gone, with your own remarks presented as fault-free and the opposition's as unreasonable. The point of my sarcastic reply was to call into question the accuracy of your summary. "Some Whites Did Bad Things" makes it sound like you didn't say which whites did bad things. But as noted, when you wrote "after being", that was you saying which whites did bad things. Likewise, "Stop talking [trash] about my mother" makes it sound like white-pride folks accept your premise that you were talking only about actual perpetrators, and they object to you doing so. But they do not in fact appear to accept your premise. As noted, you were implying they share collective guilt for different people's wrongdoings. Their reaction appears to be motivated by anger over that implication. It's not "Stop talking [trash] about my mother"; it's "Stop talking [trash] about me.".

Pride Months, Pride Marches, are internally oriented. Not attacks. Staight White efforts to show their pride appear, to me at least, as defensive, fear-sparked flails.
And they look silly.

Certainly. That's a good argument against them. "After being the ones [defecating] on blacks for all that time" is a bad argument against them.

To quote the end of Half-Life's recent link:

As I said, I'm not in favor of anyone boasting about this sort of thing. But I'm even less in favor of arbitrary rules that allow some to boast while telling others to keep quiet. The Left is famous for such rules. Maybe, on second thought, the straight pride parade is a bit more than a silly stunt. Maybe the point is to defy the Left's rules just for the sake of defying them. Perhaps there could be some value in that, after all.

Leftists have a long history of claiming that the people who go in for white-pride and straight-pride do it because they hate black people and gay people. You personally made just such an insinuation. So it seems you guys are in need of a moment of clarity. Those people do not do it because they hate blacks and gays. They do it because they hate you.

 

[Bomb#20]

Don't ask me; I'm not the one who wants a pride month. I'm just the one asking you to please stop giving them a reason to feel they need one.

"White" pride has been around for decades. The snowflakes who feel the need for a white pride month felt the need already.

Certainly; but leftists holding current white people responsible for the past wrongdoings of different white people has also been around for decades. Please stop giving them a reason to feel they need one.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Apparently you read a LOT into other people's posts. I cannot even follow half of your replies.

Possibly, you're confused by the use of 'you' in the same manner Americans regularly use 'they,' a hypothetical pronoun. Sorry if i was unclear.
But you just completely miss the entire point of my closing. I just can't even, in this conversation.

Nah, I got the point of your closing. The point of your closing was to summarize how the debate with the white-pride folks had gone, with your own remarks presented as fault-free and the opposition's as unreasonable.

Nope. My point was not that my comments are perfect, or beyond reproach, or even accurate.
But there can be no debate if the other side is not reactingbto what u said, but inventing things i did not say, and holding me accountable for them.
Just like your summary of my intention with my closing. Go debate with whoever it is saying the shit you're pretending to see in my posts, and, really, the best of luck to you.

 

[laughing dog]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

 

[RavenSky]

CCan you give an example of a channel that bashes christians?

Atheistic channels.

provide a specific example to support your claim

 

[Keith&Co.]

CCan you give an example of a channel that bashes christians?

Atheistic channels.

provide a specific example to support your claim

CBN...

 

[Half-Life]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

You haven't seen the talks of whites saying we should give blacks reparations for slavery even though no black alive today was a slave and no white today owns slaves?

Pete Buttigieg was discussing it (somehow) with a straight face.

 

[laughing dog]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

You haven't seen the talks of whites saying we should give blacks reparations for slavery even though no black alive today was a slave and no white today owns slaves?

That is not holding current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people. It is holding current taxpayers (who are all colors).

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Apparently you read a LOT into other people's posts. I cannot even follow half of your replies.

Possibly, you're confused by the use of 'you' in the same manner Americans regularly use 'they,' a hypothetical pronoun. Sorry if i was unclear.
But you just completely miss the entire point of my closing. I just can't even, in this conversation.

Nah, I got the point of your closing. The point of your closing was to summarize how the debate with the white-pride folks had gone, with your own remarks presented as fault-free and the opposition's as unreasonable. The point of my sarcastic reply was to call into question the accuracy of your summary. "Some Whites Did Bad Things" makes it sound like you didn't say which whites did bad things. But as noted, when you wrote "after being", that was you saying which whites did bad things. Likewise, "Stop talking [trash] about my mother" makes it sound like white-pride folks accept your premise that you were talking only about actual perpetrators, and they object to you doing so. But they do not in fact appear to accept your premise. As noted, you were implying they share collective guilt for different people's wrongdoings. Their reaction appears to be motivated by anger over that implication. It's not "Stop talking [trash] about my mother"; it's "Stop talking [trash] about me.".

Pride Months, Pride Marches, are internally oriented. Not attacks. Staight White efforts to show their pride appear, to me at least, as defensive, fear-sparked flails.
And they look silly.

Certainly. That's a good argument against them. "After being the ones [defecating] on blacks for all that time" is a bad argument against them.

To quote the end of Half-Life's recent link:

As I said, I'm not in favor of anyone boasting about this sort of thing. But I'm even less in favor of arbitrary rules that allow some to boast while telling others to keep quiet. The Left is famous for such rules. Maybe, on second thought, the straight pride parade is a bit more than a silly stunt. Maybe the point is to defy the Left's rules just for the sake of defying them. Perhaps there could be some value in that, after all.

Leftists have a long history of claiming that the people who go in for white-pride and straight-pride do it because they hate black people and gay people. You personally made just such an insinuation. So it seems you guys are in need of a moment of clarity. Those people do not do it because they hate blacks and gays. They do it because they hate you.

That certainly explains a lot of them. But there are also those who actually do hate black people and gay people, actual bigots, who simply see opposing these as an opportunity to express that bigotry and attempt to recruit those you speak of, who can have resentment build within them due to being unjustly branded racist. People do often grow into labels assigned to them.

 

[Bomb#20]

Nah, I got the point of your closing. The point of your closing was to summarize how the debate with the white-pride folks had gone, with your own remarks presented as fault-free and the opposition's as unreasonable.

Nope. My point was not that my comments are perfect, or beyond reproach, or even accurate.
But there can be no debate if the other side is not reactingbto what u said, but inventing things i did not say, and holding me accountable for them.
Just like your summary of my intention with my closing. Go debate with...

You wrote:

"Keith: Some Whites Did Bad Things.
Other whites: HEY! You stop talking" <expletive deleted> "about my mother!"​

Well, if I'm mistaken about why you wrote it, then what's your theory for why the message you attributed to yourself left out absolutely everything that was controversial in your actual words? And what's your theory for why you portrayed other whites as getting mad at you over the uncontroversial part of what you wrote and not the controversial part? Were you accurately quoting an earlier conversation you had on some different discussion board? Were you channeling what hypothetical Keith and hypothetical other whites could have written in a different possible world? Were you attempting to forecast what other whites will say to you in the event that at some point in the future you post "Some Whites Did Bad Things"? If you are of the opinion that I just completely missed the entire point of your closing, then help me out here. What was the entire point of your closing?

 

[Bomb#20]

People do often grow into labels assigned to them.

Fair point.

 

[Bomb#20]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

You mean, besides the one K&C and I were just talking about?

Here are some recent examples: https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?18577-Get-Woke-Free-Dinner

I also went through some of my notes from older conversations. Red Expendable, premjan, EricK, oneofshibumi, DrZoidberg, fromderinside, Mumbles and AthenaAwakened have all done it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Nah, I got the point of your closing. The point of your closing was to summarize how the debate with the white-pride folks had gone, with your own remarks presented as fault-free and the opposition's as unreasonable.

Nope. My point was not that my comments are perfect, or beyond reproach, or even accurate.
But there can be no debate if the other side is not reactingbto what u said, but inventing things i did not say, and holding me accountable for them.
Just like your summary of my intention with my closing. Go debate with...

You wrote:

"Keith: Some Whites Did Bad Things.
Other whites: HEY! You stop talking" <expletive deleted> "about my mother!"​

Well, if I'm mistaken about why you wrote it, then what's your theory for why the message you attributed to yourself left out absolutely everything that was controversial in your actual words?

You continue to miss the entire fucking point. If you're going to hold me responsible for things I DID NOT SAY, then what's my interest in spending any time on things I actually did say? I have no faith you'll suddenly stop throwing strawmen into the discussion.

 

[laughing dog]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

You mean, besides the one K&C and I were just talking about?

Your straw man does not count.

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Here are some recent examples: https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?18577-Get-Woke-Free-Dinner

From what I can tell, that is referring to the alleged wrongdoings of current white people.

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I also went through some of my notes from older conversations. Red Expendable, premjan, EricK, oneofshibumi, DrZoidberg, fromderinside, Mumbles and AthenaAwakened have all done it.

Making the rather generous assumption that your notes are accurate that all of these people have actually held current white people responsible for the past wrongdoings of white people, you have not established that any of these people are "leftists".

 

[Half-Life]

Please point to some of those leftists who hold current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people, because I would like to be educated.

You haven't seen the talks of whites saying we should give blacks reparations for slavery even though no black alive today was a slave and no white today owns slaves?

That is not holding current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people. It is holding current taxpayers (who are all colors).

This makes no sense!!!! How many "taxpayers" alive today owned slaves?

 

[Half-Life]

Thirded. It is the only response that makes actual sense.

"Gay pride" makes sense only insofar as it is actually a statement of gay not-shame, rather than actually of being proud.

I have been reading comments on LGBTQ videos and most people say stuff like, "Why does it have to be shoved down our throats on TV, in commercials, etc.? It's like they are pandering to the gays. Even gay people are getting fed up with being pandered to. Children are being encouraged to march in pride parades and being dressed in drag. This is child abuse, plain and simple."

 

[laughing dog]

That is not holding current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people. It is holding current taxpayers (who are all colors).

This makes no sense!!!! How many "taxpayers" alive today owned slaves?

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Reparations that come from any gov't entity are ultimately funded by taxpayers who come from all races and ethnicities.

 

[Half-Life]

That is not holding current white people for the wrongdoings of past white people. It is holding current taxpayers (who are all colors).

This makes no sense!!!! How many "taxpayers" alive today owned slaves?

T
Reparations that come from any gov't entity are ultimately funded by taxpayers who come from all races and ethnicities.

Dodged!

How many of these taxpayers alive today are responsible for slavery?