-
Features
Jon Stewart "encouraging" congress.
- Thread starter Patooka
- Start date
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 46,969
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
He's quite passionately excoriating congress for pussy-footing around on getting help for the 9/11 first responders.
Axulus
Veteran Member
Why is this congresses' job/a federal issue and not an NYC issue (or perhaps NY state issue)? They primarily worked for the city and helped victims in the city. The richest city in the US. Why can they not provide everything these first responders need?
As Stewart pointed out, Al Qaeda wasn't saying, "Death to Tribeca". And just about every politician that has been elected have wrapped themselves around the "Never forget" sentiment.
Here is an article summarizing the event.
Worldtraveller
Veteran Member
Because the US has a worse healthcare system than some third world countries? If we had single payer HC and a halfway decent national system, this wouldn't be an issue.
It's called a virtual private network. I'm surprised your employer didn't set something up for you before your trip. Too much is broken over there otherwise.
Playball40
Veteran Member
Axulus
Veteran Member
Why does NYC have such a shitty healthcare system for its workers?
Axulus
Veteran Member
Makes no sense why NYC hasn't covered the bills. Does not answer the question.
laughing dog
Contributor
This is virtually no different that the federal gov't bailing out areas that are flooded or hit by hurricanes. Al Qaeda attacked the US. Moreover, the scale of this attack and the damage it did is too large for any local government to handle.
Axulus
Veteran Member
Does NYC not cover its firefighters and police officers with health insurance and workers compenstion for job related injuries and health issues? Even non-city workers should be covered by some sort of worker injury insurance. Not to do so is otherwise illegal in pretty much every state. Is NYC bankrupt? I thought NY was a blue state with basic worker protections.
If NYC is out of money, why aren't the city reps going to NY state and Congress themselves?
laughing dog
Contributor
Repeating yourself without any reference at all to the post that you are commenting on indicates you are not bothering to actual read the comments.
The US has a long history of bailing out local areas hit by disasters or tragedies. Did you utter the same complaints about Oklahoma receiving aid after the McVeigh bombing or when New Orleans was hit by Katrina or Houston by it flooding?
Worker compensation, even at its best, is a very lousy form of protection. And it is can be hell trying to prove that the illness is due to work (as in the case of many of firefighters who contracted cancer or other terminal illnesses). And the scale of the damages of this tragedy would overwhelm any local gov't entity.
If that's your argument then New York is entitled to sue every public figure who mentioned 9/11 for copyright infringement. That should pay for their health expenses as well. And there would be change for a New York Space Force.
Horatio Parker
Veteran Member
IIRC not all the over 10k first responders were from the NY area.
Many of the NYC first responders who went to the towers on 911 are dead. Approx 350 firemen, I think.
Many of the NYC first responders who went to the towers on 911 are dead. Approx 350 firemen, I think.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
Contributor
You seem uninformed about the scope of this issue. Let me try to inform you:
- the World Trade Center contained the stock market apparatus for the US publicly traded companies and was therefore a military target to hurt the country by a terrorist organization which sought to disrupt the national economy;
- Persons working at the WTC, included many non-NYC persons, many non-NY state persons, such as New Jersey and Connecticut residents but not limited to those other states, and the applicability of the work was to the entire nation as such public companies had incorporation across the US;
- Responders to the national emergency included not merely NYC persons, but NY state persons, NJ persons, CT persons, and federal persons;
- Persons working in the areas of medicine, military (national guard, coast guard, marines, navy), firefighters, construction, metal, police helped with not merely the first response but also saving people from the rubble and then the cleanup;
- Many persons helping first response, cleanup and save people in this national emergency were voluntary but their service was necessary.
George W Bush said:
Koyaanisqatsi
Veteran Member
Not to mention global organizations in all of the towers impacted, such as:
- Royal Thai Embassy Office
- Korea Local Authorities
- Taipei Bank
- Bank of Taiwan
- Daehan International
- Hyundai Securities Co., Ltd.
- Asahi Bank, Ltd.
- Banco LatinoAmericano de
And Federal Institutions like:
- U.S. Secret Service
- U.S. Department of Commerce
- BATF (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms)
- U.S. Department of Agriculture
- U.S. Department of Labor
- Securities & Exchange Commission
- Federal Home Loan Bank
And, of course, the dozens of national and multi-national private corporations (like AT&T and American Express etc).
Just wait... within 30 years there will be a rise of 9/11 Deniers.
It never happened. The idea that people flew planes into buildings is a conspiracy theory setup by Christians in light of the rise of Muslim popularity. It's just a made-up excuse for why Christian believers have such dwindling numbers and the number of Muslims have grown.
It never happened. The idea that people flew planes into buildings is a conspiracy theory setup by Christians in light of the rise of Muslim popularity. It's just a made-up excuse for why Christian believers have such dwindling numbers and the number of Muslims have grown.
There have been majorities in certain countries that believe it was either Israel or the United States that was responsible for 9-11 for a long time. There have also been polls that show a majority of democrats think "Bush knew".
There's no need to deny it happened to indulge one's biases.
It's hard to get past the observable fact that those buildings 1) used to be there and 2) aren't now.
You understand actuarial things right? So you insure based on some average risk right? What happens when you suddenly have 10,000X your usual liability?
If you are buying the insurance through a private for-profit company then that company may not have sufficient capital to cover the losses. See Florida property insurance in 2004 for an example and the abundance of big companies that still will not write for property down here. Even with regulations that require that a company have capital reserves to absorb some level of losses, you could still have a Hurricane Michael hit Miami Beach instead of Mexico Beach.
Regarding workers compensation. Florida self insures for that. It has a pot of money set aside to pay claims and a bureau that handles claims. It pays out about 12,000 claims a yet with an average $$$ per claim. You think the entire red state of Florida has enough money laid aside to fund workers comp claims if it has a mass on-the-job casualty like the WTC attack? Does NYC self insure? Is NYC responsible for an able to cover all the people that came from other areas in the response?
And then you get to the scale of the attack and the number of non-NYC parties involved as others have already detailed.