While the Democrats are running their dog and pony impeachment hearings, they were making sure we continue living in a police state

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Has beating up the innocent guy accomplished anything beneficial, though?

No, it's just providing support for the notion that blacks are subhumans that can't be trusted to behave in society.

Koy provided an explanation for the attack that does not depend on any bigoted or racist motivation. There is a clear and distinct difference between an explanation and a justification.

Why anyone would think that an explanation based on PTSD provides support that the race of the attacker is subhuman is truly fascinating.

He's trying to justify behavior that's actually making the situation worse.

Horseshit. It can't be worse for black people. What YOU are doing is trying to stop the slaves from slitting the master's throats by, once again, oppressing any such reactions that are to be fully expected and understandable by anyone that constantly stomps on someone's throat.

It's despicable. It's saying, "You, the oppressed, cannot react to your oppression, because it makes you part of the problem."

It's the same tactic bullies/Republicans use. Only the oppressor is permitted to act; never the oppressed. If the oppressed react to their oppression, it's egregious. If the oppressor acts anyway they damn well please, it's just supposed to be accepted and/or ignored.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Why anyone would think that an explanation based on PTSD provides support that the race of the attacker is subhuman is truly fascinating.

Who said anything about a race being subhuman? That's quite an addition you've made. You don't need to see anybody as subhuman in order to be racist for or against them. You only need to generalize people by race, disregard individuality, and treat or view them differently because you think that's how [insert race] are.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Horseshit. It can't be worse for black people.

It can always be worse. Don't make it so. By excusing violence based on race, you're only opening the door wide open for the kind of anti-black violence your country is famous for historically.

What YOU are doing is trying to stop the slaves from slitting the master's throats

That's pretty dramatic language for how things are today.

by, once again, oppressing any such reactions that are to be fully expected and understandable by anyone that constantly stomps on someone's throat.

You should stop stomping on people's throats. That'd be a great start. And stop excusing your doing so by pointing at what they look like. That'd be even better.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Done now? (edited.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He's trying to justify behavior that's actually making the situation worse.

Horseshit. It can't be worse for black people. What YOU are doing is trying to stop the slaves from slitting the master's throats by, once again, oppressing any such reactions that are to be fully expected and understandable by anyone that constantly stomps on someone's throat.

The poor black person now is not only poor but the target of hatred from whites that were discriminated against.

It's despicable. It's saying, "You, the oppressed, cannot react to your oppression, because it makes you part of the problem."

You need to prove oppression in the first place. And you need to show why the existing legal systems aren't adequate to address it. (Hint: They don't address it because it's not there!)

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

The poor black person now is not only poor but the target of hatred from whites that were discriminated against.

So, iow, exactly where they always are. Damned if they don't stand up for themselves; damned if they do stand up for themselves. Or, in this case, damned if they are forced into reacting out of years of not reacting.

It's a horrible social condition, no doubt, caused and maintained entirely by white assholes. Which is why all whites need to basically just shut the fuck up and say, "Sorry for those other assholes" every goddamned day.

It's despicable. It's saying, "You, the oppressed, cannot react to your oppression, because it makes you part of the problem."

You need to prove oppression in the first place.

Yeah, so, that's the kind of horeshit that triggers the "shut the fuck up" requirement.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, iow, exactly where they always are. Damned if they don't stand up for themselves; damned if they do stand up for themselves. Or, in this case, damned if they are forced into reacting out of years of not reacting.

It's a horrible social condition, no doubt, caused and maintained entirely by white assholes. Which is why all whites need to basically just shut the fuck up and say, "Sorry for those other assholes" every goddamned day.

You need to prove oppression in the first place.

Yeah, so, that's the kind of horeshit that triggers the "shut the fuck up" requirement.

You are taking the oppression as a given and calling a request to prove it horseshit.

This is the same sort of attitude we see in the trumpets in denying any of His Flatulence's wrongdoing.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

You are taking the oppression as a given

No, I am not. It has been abundantly, conclusively and objectively established in spite of the endless denialists/apologists who desperately try to pick it apart and/or transparently attempt to shift the focus off of that fact.

 

[laughing dog]

Why anyone would think that an explanation based on PTSD provides support that the race of the attacker is subhuman is truly fascinating.

Who said anything about a race being subhuman? That's quite an addition you've made.

In post 136, LP wrote
"No, it's just providing support for the notion that blacks are subhumans that can't be trusted to behave in society." which was actually in the quoted material in the post to which you responded and somehow seemed to completely disregard.

[You don't need to see anybody as subhuman in order to be racist for or against them. You only need to generalize people by race, disregard individuality, and treat or view them differently because you think that's how [insert race] are.

That is true for your definition of racism. If one views racism as viewing a race (or other races) as being inferior, it sort of does mean looking at them as less than favored race.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

So, iow, exactly where they always are. Damned if they don't stand up for themselves; damned if they do stand up for themselves.

It is alarming that you equate "Standing up for yourself" to assaulting an innocent person who looks like those who have abused you. Yet you think you speak AGAINST racism...

It's a horrible social condition, no doubt, caused and maintained entirely by white assholes.

You are here giving evidence otherwise.

Which is why all whites need to basically just shut the fuck up and say, "Sorry for those other assholes" every goddamned day.

That too would be racist. You're not responsible for what others who look like you did. Empathy and understanding is in order from other white people. Not apologies.

Yeah, so, that's the kind of horeshit that triggers the "shut the fuck up" requirement.

Loren wrong if and when be denies it exits. But that can be dealt with much more straightforwardly than the sort of racist mentality you are pushing for. At least Loren will readily agree that violence against people based on the colour of their skin is inexcusable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In post 136, LP wrote
"No, it's just providing support for the notion that blacks are subhumans that can't be trusted to behave in society." which was actually in the quoted material in the post to which you responded and somehow seemed to completely disregard.

[You don't need to see anybody as subhuman in order to be racist for or against them. You only need to generalize people by race, disregard individuality, and treat or view them differently because you think that's how [insert race] are.

That is true for your definition of racism. If one views racism as viewing a race (or other races) as being inferior, it sort of does mean looking at them as less than favored race.

I wasn't saying they actually are subhuman, I'm saying his position implies they are. When you use the "they can't help it" defense to wrongdoing that's saying they are people not fit to be in civilized society.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

In post 136, LP wrote
"No, it's just providing support for the notion that blacks are subhumans that can't be trusted to behave in society." which was actually in the quoted material in the post to which you responded and somehow seemed to completely disregard.

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

[You don't need to see anybody as subhuman in order to be racist for or against them. You only need to generalize people by race, disregard individuality, and treat or view them differently because you think that's how [insert race] are.

That is true for your definition of racism. If one views racism as viewing a race (or other races) as being inferior, it sort of does mean looking at them as less than favored race.

Fair enough.

 

[laughing dog]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

The point is that I did not add it to the discussion as you claimed. Whether or not LP believes it is a different matter. Despite his claims about his beliefs, LP's long posting history is consistent with a very negative view of blacks.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

The point is that I did not add it to the discussion as you claimed. Whether or not LP believes it is a different matter. Despite his claims about his beliefs, LP's long posting history is consistent with a very negative view of blacks.

That's more often projection on him than reality of him. Your selective interpretation of what he just wrote above is a good example. I think he fails to see racism is as potent as it is, but I have seen no reason to believe that Loren dislikes or is racist towards anyone himself.

 

[laughing dog]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

The point is that I did not add it to the discussion as you claimed. Whether or not LP believes it is a different matter. Despite his claims about his beliefs, LP's long posting history is consistent with a very negative view of blacks.

That's more often projection on him than reality of him. Your selective interpretation of what he just wrote above is a good example.

LOL - your persistent misinterpretation of my post is much more an example of your projections than reality.

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I think he fails to see racism is as potent as it is, but I have seen no reason to believe that Loren dislikes or is racist towards anyone himself.

Your kneejerk defense of LP is as predictable as it is unconvincing.

 

[lpetrich]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

The point is that I did not add it to the discussion as you claimed. Whether or not LP believes it is a different matter. Despite his claims about his beliefs, LP's long posting history is consistent with a very negative view of blacks.

There are two LP's here, with the same first name and with similar-looking non-Anglo last names. I'm sure that the one you are talking about is not me, however.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There are two LP's here, with the same first name and with similar-looking non-Anglo last names. I'm sure that the one you are talking about is not me, however.

I definitely have no reason to think anything negative about you whatsoever lpetrich. You are always posting interesting things in fact. I am not here to slander or demonize anyone. If Laughing Dog insists on doing so, I will just let that speak for itself.

 

[laughing dog]

There are two LP's here, with the same first name and with similar-looking non-Anglo last names. I'm sure that the one you are talking about is not me, however.

I definitely have no reason to think anything negative about you whatsoever lpetrich. You are always posting interesting things in fact. I am not here to slander or demonize anyone. If Laughing Dog nsists on doing so, I will just let that speak for itself.

You do have the knack to blow up irony meters.
Unlike you, I do not consider speaking the truth to be slander or demonization.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

No racist needed--he's saying it should be accepted behavior from all black people.

You did get the key point, though--I was exploring the implications of his position, I was not saying black people are subhuman.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I read that as Loren saying this behavior by the man will feed into racist people thinking that, not that Loren himself thinks that. Thus hypothetical man apparently can't control himself and is prone to violence. A racist would generalize that to black people and see other black people the same way.

The point is that I did not add it to the discussion as you claimed. Whether or not LP believes it is a different matter. Despite his claims about his beliefs, LP's long posting history is consistent with a very negative view of blacks.

That's more often projection on him than reality of him. Your selective interpretation of what he just wrote above is a good example. I think he fails to see racism is as potent as it is, but I have seen no reason to believe that Loren dislikes or is racist towards anyone himself.

I believe racism isn't all that potent these days because the vast majority of the "evidence" for it is of such low quality. If racism is actually enough to hold back any race it should have been shown by now--but it's always either proxies or mixed up with socioeconomic status. However, when we do control for socioeconomic status the supposed effects vanish--if there's an actual effect it's below the noise floor.

That is not to say that there won't be individual incidents of racism. There will be assholes that don't hire you because you have the wrong skin color. There will be assholes that don't hire you for various reasons that have nothing to do with your ability to do the job--and sometimes even with the backing of the government (religious organizations.) This only becomes an important factor when a substantial percentage of the employers take this position.