BLM, ALM, and your friends

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wrong. They're all backlashes against supposed efforts towards equality that go too far.

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Note that this is the norm with social movements--they swing past a reasonable middle ground and become the opposite problem to whatever they started out against.

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Wrong. They're all backlashes against supposed efforts towards equality that go too far.

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Note that this is the norm with social movements--they swing past a reasonable middle ground and become the opposite problem to whatever they started out against.

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not all backlashes go too far. However, successful social movements almost always go too far and thus provoke legitimate backlashes.

I have no idea what you would securely base that on. It seems to me (correct me if I am misinterpreting you) as if you are essentially choosing to say that one sort of thing (effort/protest) is generally more problematical than the other (resistance/backlash). This is what constantly baffles me about you. The obviously reasonable and accurate way to say it is that both the efforts/protests can go too far (or have a 'wing' that goes too far) and the resistance/backlash can go too far (or have a 'wing' that goes too far), and not broadly distinguish between the two, because I really, really think, in fact I'd bet money on it, that neither you nor anyone has the objective or conclusive data or evidence to show that one sort of activity is worse or more problematic than the other, all things considered.

It's simple inertia at work. While the system isn't fair people push it in the direction of becoming fair. This pressure doesn't magically let up the instant fairness is reached. It's basically inevitable to push it too far. There are also those who are in it for the benefit of one side, they aren't interested in stopping at fairness even if they recognize it.

As I said, to me, it's baffling, because I know you are not against progress and change. I know you're not on the far right and I'm sure you're not a racist. But maybe I have misunderstood what you said there.

Basically, it's a problem of overreaction. Look at the calls to abolish the police in reaction to the Floyd incident for an example of overreaction. Or the bus-throwing we have seen in Atlanta. I favor careful change, not a headlong rush.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wrong. They're all backlashes against supposed efforts towards equality that go too far.

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Note that this is the norm with social movements--they swing past a reasonable middle ground and become the opposite problem to whatever they started out against.

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

BLM started out defending cases it shouldn't have been defending.

 

[laughing dog]

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

BLM started out defending cases it shouldn't have been defending.

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

BLM started out defending cases it shouldn't have been defending.

The DC sniper?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

#BLM existed for a day or two before ALM came out. #BLM hadn't existed long enough to have gone "too far".

Also, when has Gay Pride gone too far?

BLM started out defending cases it shouldn't have been defending.

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Said the guy who’d go to prison if he said otherwise.

Kind of like the Georgia shooting where they guys were trying to catch a thief (trespasser) who was running away. They caught up to him (trapped him) and then shot when he went for their gun (they shot him).

Odd how the truth seems to be corrupted when the truth would get you sent to prison.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Being chased by an angry, armed man is not the same thing as "tr[ied] to administer a beatdown."

 

[laughing dog]

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Do you have a real point? Mr. Martin was doing nothing wrong at the time. That is what we know for sure. After that, as JH pointed out, all we have is the killer's account.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Said the guy who’d go to prison if he said otherwise.

Kind of like the Georgia shooting where they guys were trying to catch a thief (trespasser) who was running away. They caught up to him (trapped him) and then shot when he went for their gun (they shot him).

Odd how the truth seems to be corrupted when the truth would get you sent to prison.

We have other indications of what happened, not just his word.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Being chased by an angry, armed man is not the same thing as "tr[ied] to administer a beatdown."

He got away. End of incident. Trayvon found him again and attacked.

BLM started with Trayvon Martin, so you are wrong.

Trayvon Martin chose to try to administer a beatdown to an armed man. Just because that armed man had been utterly stupid didn't change the situation.

Do you have a real point? Mr. Martin was doing nothing wrong at the time. That is what we know for sure. After that, as JH pointed out, all we have is the killer's account.

Ignoring the evidence doesn't make it go away.

 

[ruby sparks]

News: The English Premier (soccer) League restarted today after 100 days of lockdown. All matches will be shown on free-to-air tv. No spectators at the stadiums.

For the first 12 matches, player’s names on the back of the shirts of all 20 teams involved will be removed and replaced with, ‘Black Lives Matter’. After that there will still be a smaller version of the same slogan on the sleeves instead.

Quite a big deal.

And I support it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Said the guy who’d go to prison if he said otherwise.

Kind of like the Georgia shooting where they guys were trying to catch a thief (trespasser) who was running away. They caught up to him (trapped him) and then shot when he went for their gun (they shot him).

Odd how the truth seems to be corrupted when the truth would get you sent to prison.

We have other indications of what happened, not just his word.

With "indications" you mean baseless supposition right? Because there is no evidence beyond Zimmerman's word. Unless you are talking about his superficial wounds suffered when he was beaten to an inch of his life.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

News: The English Premier (soccer) League restarted today after 100 days of lockdown. All matches will be shown on free-to-air tv. No spectators at the stadiums.

For the first 12 matches, player’s names on the back of the shirts of all 20 teams will be removed and replaced with, ‘Black Lives Matter’.

Quite a big deal.

And I support it.

Games not free in the US, just the ones on NBC. Of course, Americans can't generally attend an EPL fixture without expensive plane tickets. SO Liverpool need just two wins to clinch it and win even if the season can't make it to the end because Boris Johnson trumps up the recovery.

 

[ZiprHead]

Said the guy who’d go to prison if he said otherwise.

Kind of like the Georgia shooting where they guys were trying to catch a thief (trespasser) who was running away. They caught up to him (trapped him) and then shot when he went for their gun (they shot him).

Odd how the truth seems to be corrupted when the truth would get you sent to prison.

We have other indications of what happened, not just his word.

With "indications" you mean baseless supposition right? Because there is no evidence beyond Zimmerman's word. Unless you are talking about his superficial wounds suffered when he was beaten to an inch of his life.

Well, there was his girfriend that testified under oath that Trayvon was attacked while she was on the phone with him.

 

[ruby sparks]

News: The English Premier (soccer) League restarted today after 100 days of lockdown. All matches will be shown on free-to-air tv. No spectators at the stadiums.

For the first 12 matches, player’s names on the back of the shirts of all 20 teams will be removed and replaced with, ‘Black Lives Matter’.

Quite a big deal.

And I support it.

Games not free in the US, just the ones on NBC. Of course, Americans can't generally attend an EPL fixture without expensive plane tickets. SO Liverpool need just two wins to clinch it and win even if the season can't make it to the end because Boris Johnson trumps up the recovery.

No, sorry, I was referring to tv broadcasts here.

If you have to pay, don’t pay to watch the highlights of the first game. It was dull.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

With "indications" you mean baseless supposition right? Because there is no evidence beyond Zimmerman's word. Unless you are talking about his superficial wounds suffered when he was beaten to an inch of his life.

Well, there was his girfriend that testified under oath that Trayvon was attacked while she was on the phone with him.

Oh that's right... but you can't trust her, so the truth is the exact opposite of what she said.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

News: The English Premier (soccer) League restarted today after 100 days of lockdown. All matches will be shown on free-to-air tv. No spectators at the stadiums.

For the first 12 matches, player’s names on the back of the shirts of all 20 teams will be removed and replaced with, ‘Black Lives Matter’.

Quite a big deal.

And I support it.

Games not free in the US, just the ones on NBC. Of course, Americans can't generally attend an EPL fixture without expensive plane tickets. SO Liverpool need just two wins to clinch it and win even if the season can't make it to the end because Boris Johnson trumps up the recovery.

No, sorry, I was referring to tv here.

I know. It is a big deal seeing that fans can't attend.

 

[ruby sparks]

No, sorry, I was referring to tv here.

I know. It is a big deal seeing that fans can't attend.

Yeah. I specifically meant that having BLM instead of players names is a big deal. And (as you may indeed be pointing out) the slogan will have high visibility (tv cameras bringing the viewers closer) and extensive coverage.