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Libertarianism is killing our economy

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Medium reprinted an article from The New Republic, The Libertarian Ideas That Wrecked the Fed, subtitled, Milton Friedman’s influence on America’s monetary policy blew up the past and mortgaged our future.

I don't rate Milton Friedman at all as an academic economist. See here. He was a successful political pundit as a political economist. Rather than studying the economy that we have, he crafted a vision of an economy that could never be, an economy that he wished we could have, the holy grail of neoclassical economists, the self-regulating, self-organizing free market. He rescued an Austrian/Libertarian economics idea that had been basking in well-deserved obscurity, the theory that the originators, Ludwig Mises and Friedrich Hayek, resurrected called  Neoliberalism.

Neoliberalism is the idea that we should return to the economics of the "classical liberal" period of the 1830s in England. The economics of that time advocated the free market, a true factor market for labor, free trade, the free flow of capital, money, and labor across borders, the gold standard for money, and the elimination of cash welfare for the poor, which everybody in the US will recognize as Reaganomics.

In an essay, Neo-Liberalism and its Prospects Friedman called for a turn away from collectivism back to 19th-century liberalism and its laissez faire capitalism in the private markets albeit retaining the policing power of the state over the economy to prevent bad behavior, monopolies, as an example. A mixed message if there ever was one.

Unfortunately for his legacy and for us who have to live with the results of his work, the classical liberals of 1830s England that he wanted to emulate didn't have any success putting their ideas into practice, a fact he would have found out easily if he had wanted to. If he had he would have found out that the "classical liberal" period failed in just a few years.

Milton Friedman was a smart man and a trained economist. He certainly realized that Neoliberalism wasn't compelling economics, that it was nothing more than a rehashing of the classical and neoclassical dream that the Great Depression had crushed. It probably didn't escape his attention that wealth and fame along with the support for research for his university that comes from economics used to support the conservative political memes that justify making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else.

His monetarism is half Keynesian, admitting that the government must intervene in the economy but maintaining that it should be done in the manner that offends the rich the least, by restricting the intervention to increasingly ineffective monetary policies and never, ever using the much more effective fiscal policies that might involve taxing the rich. It is probably more accurate to say that monetarism is three-quarters Keynesian. Faced with a problem the government under monetarism can raise or lower interest rates and it can lower taxes, but it can never raise taxes.

So yes, Friedman did use the neoliberalism name for his theory but dropped it because he wanted his theories to become mainstream economics. Unfortunately for us and for our economy, he succeeded in the guise of the current neoclassical synthesis economics.

The main tenets of neoliberalism will be familiar to everyone as it is the political economics that sets our current economic policies of the government. They are a self-regulating free market with deregulation, free trade, the free flow of capital and labor across borders, a true market for labor, the gold standard for money, and canceling of cash welfare for the indigent. It is the political economics of 100% of the Republican party and one half of the Democrats, including Joe Biden, both Clintons, and Obama. It is the political economics that a national politician has to pledge fealty to in order to receive campaign contributions from corporate America and Wall Street. Those who don't toe the neoliberal line are unfairly called "socialists." It is the political economics that has produced the extreme income inequality that is the largest threat to capitalism in the US.
 
https://web.archive.org/web/2006081...ticle.php?point=vol129/issue37/features/lead1

PJ: Many labels have been used to apply to you—off the top of my head, you've been called a libertarian, a neo-conservative, a conservative, a neo-liberal, that's a popular term right now, a classical liberal and so on. I'm curious how you would describe yourself and whether the label has any value.
MF: I regard myself as a libertarian. But I think the term classical liberal is also equally applicable.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmx2bQDO1Vk[/YOUTUBE]
 
I know that around here the only thing you know about libertarianism is our advocacy of free markets. Even then people confuse it with the corporatism supported by Republicans, which means that around there people don't even know what our economic positions are. Still, those who advocate free markets know there's this different ideology called "Monetarism". You might want to investigate the difference between Monetarism and Free Market.

You do realize that libertarians do not like the Federal Reserve? That we do like the gold standard? I hope you know at least that much. Guess where Friedman fell on those issues.

Here, let us see what a libertarian site says about Friedman.

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Not what you expected, eh?

Milton: I'm one of you.
Libertarians: No you're not.
Milton: Yes I am. I swear I am.
Libertarians: You don't talk, act, or think like one of us.
MF: Doesn't matter, I am one.
You: See, he is. He says so.

What is it about politics that, when you see a political person saying one thing and doing another, people are very inclined to believe the former and ignore the latter.

If he's such a libertarian, why is he a favorite of the establishment?
 
I know that around here the only thing you know about libertarianism is our advocacy of free markets. Even then people confuse it with the corporatism supported by Republicans, which means that around there people don't even know what our economic positions are. Still, those who advocate free markets know there's this different ideology called "Monetarism". You might want to investigate the difference between Monetarism and Free Market.

You do realize that libertarians do not like the Federal Reserve? That we do like the gold standard? I hope you know at least that much. Guess where Friedman fell on those issues.

Here, let us see what a libertarian site says about Friedman.

Search results

Not what you expected, eh?

Milton: I'm one of you.
Libertarians: No you're not.
Milton: Yes I am. I swear I am.
Libertarians: You don't talk, act, or think like one of us.
MF: Doesn't matter, I am one.
You: See, he is. He says so.

What is it about politics that, when you see a political person saying one thing and doing another, people are very inclined to believe the former and ignore the latter.

If he's such a libertarian, why is he a favorite of the establishment?

Not only are you factually incorrect, but your premise is just profoundly idiotic.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6fkdagNrjI[/YOUTUBE]

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Ah yes, he did change his tune on that from time to time. He still spent the bulk of his career as a monetarist economist, not a free market economist.

If he's such a libertarian, why is he a favorite of the establishment?
 
He's the favorite of the establishment because he spent the bulk of his career as a Monetarist and not an advocate of the Free Market.

I guess nobody knows the difference. Or cares.

I don’t think he advocated for destitute people selling their organs, or paying children for sex, but nobody can be a perfect libertarian
 
He's the favorite of the establishment because he spent the bulk of his career as a Monetarist and not an advocate of the Free Market.

I guess nobody knows the difference. Or cares.

I don’t think he advocated for destitute people selling their organs, or paying children for sex, but nobody can be a perfect libertarian

Oh my, are we at the point in the cycle now where the political Rand Paul's dick-sucking Libertarians who spent the last several years being very careful to never say anything bad about Trump claim that they aren't like the other girls or whatever?
 
He's the favorite of the establishment because he spent the bulk of his career as a Monetarist and not an advocate of the Free Market.

I guess nobody knows the difference. Or cares.

I don’t think he advocated for destitute people selling their organs, or paying children for sex, but nobody can be a perfect libertarian

You don't seem to realize how significant the distinction is between free market and monetarism.
 
The main tenets of neoliberalism will be familiar to everyone as it is the political economics... It is the political economics of 100% of the Republican party and one half of the Democrats, including Joe Biden, both Clintons, and Obama.

Neoliberalism is not libertarianism in any way shape or form yet your post would indicate otherwise.

Furthermore, while it is true that Joe Biden, Clintons, Obama, and even the Bushes were/are neoliberals, it is in no way true that 100% of the Republican party is. We know this because if 100% of the Republicans were neoliberals, they would not be supporting Trump in his 2nd impeachment. There is absolutely no question that Trump opposes neoliberalism just based on his stance with trade alone. The fact he put tarriffs on China tells us instantly he can not possibly be a neoliberal.

At this point in time, I think it is actually fair to say there are more Democrat neoliberals than Republicans. And that is a very sad state of affairs indeed when you consider that the party that used to support the middle class no longer does anymore.

You need to get your definitions straight and learn who today is for the common man and who isn't.
 
Not what you expected, eh?

Milton: I'm one of you.
Libertarians: No you're not.
Milton: Yes I am. I swear I am.
Libertarians: You don't talk, act, or think like one of us.
MF: Doesn't matter, I am one.

I am NOT a Milton Friedman fan, but I think I can settle this argument:

Milton Friedman is what a "Libertarian" would be if that Libertarian were intelligent and had ever taken classes in economics.
 
Is there only one school of libertarianism?

Objectivist, Austrian, Anarcho-Capitalism... no, there's more than one.

But Monetarism ain't it. Know why?


This is another case of "We, who are not libertarian, declare X to be a libertarian position. Libertarians disagree, so libertarians are wrong about what they believe."
 
You don't seem to get the significance of the difference between Monetarism and Free Market.

Four times now you have made a post about there being a difference between Monetarism and Free Market, and charging that no one but you knows the difference.

In those four posts, you could have posted the difference, according to you.

I think we can all agree that if a person “not knowing the difference” goes to look on the internet, it is entirely possible they will find some inaccurate sources (in your eyes) and then argue an inaccurate (in your eyes) rebuttal that could be construed as a straw man. Given that highly likely scenario, why would you post four times that no one knows the difference, without expounding on your own what the difference is, (in your eyes) so that a meaningful discussion could be made?
 
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