No, Rashida Tlaib. Somebody being criticized for making idiotic statements is not violation of freedom of speech!

[Derec]

Are a few people on this forum trying to turn this sub into "oh my god did you hear the latest outrageous thing that a black person said or did?!" proposition?

It would be a welcome change from the usual "oh my god did you hear the latest outrageous thing that a white cis-man said or did?!" fare on here.

But no, I don't care about color, I care about the outrageous thing they said or did. In the case of this thread, we have one black person and one white person saying stupid shit.

Also, dude, "sub"? This is not Reddit!

 

[Derec]

Double points if the person is female. Triple if she's a woman of color and Muslim.

Because those people should not be criticized, not ever, or else it's denying them their "freedom of speech", right?

It is only ok to criticize white men, preferably straight and cis, on this "sub".

 

[Derec]

Today I learned that

What you should have learned is that the presidential forum exists and that you should take your mental masturbation about Trump over there instead of always derailing other threads. This thread is about Omar and Tlaib and the idiotic things they tweeted.

 

[Derec]

I saw the comment that prompted this. She said both the Israeli government and Hamas should be held accountable for their war crimes.

Hamas is committing war crimes by shooting rockets at civilians from civilian areas, and doing things like digging offensive tunnels under UN schools. Israel is targeting Hamas fighters and infrastructure, which is legal conduct in war. Taliban is suicide bombing civilians, among myriad other atrocities. US in bombing Taliban.
Sometimes civilians are killed in legal wartime actions. That is not a war crime. It is a war crime to target civilians or coopt civilian infrastructure for combat. Like Hamas. Like Taliban.

Omar explicitly equated US and Israel with Taliban and Hamas. Which is idiotic enough.

But the real gold medal winner of the Special Congressional Olympics is Tlaib, an alleged lawyer mind you, who responded to criticism of Omar with a statement that criticism of Omar's statement means "black women don't have freedom of speech". If you can't tell why this statement is idiotic, you need to go back to school and repeat basic Civics.

 

[Derec]

just, fair, and reasonable!

It is none of those things. Do you think Tlaib saying that criticism of Omar is tantamount to taking away her freedom of speech is "reasonable" too?

 

[Arctish]

just, fair, and reasonable!

It is none of those things. Do you think Tlaib saying that criticism of Omar is tantamount to taking away her freedom of speech is "reasonable" too?

I quoted what I was responding to. If you missed it, just click on the little double arrow in the blue box next to my name.

 

[Derec]

Imagine if Congress was as outraged by what Palestinians endure daily. (link)" / Twitter

They should be outraged. But they should also correctly identify the problem.
Hamas, first and foremost. But also the Abbas regime with its "pay to slay" program that pays big bucks to terrorists who kill Israelis.

 

[Derec]

I quoted what I was responding to. If you missed it, just click on the little double arrow in the blue box next to my name.

What you quoted is Zipr's editorializing, not what Omar actually wrote. And note that Omar has a long history of anti-Israel and antisemitic statements.

 

[Derec]

Pelosi signals no further action against Omar | TheHill

That is a very weak response from Pelosi, just like last time Omar tweeted something antisemitic. Omar should be stripped of all committee assignments and regarded as a MTG-like pariah in the House.

And Tlaib should be sent back to school to repeat a basic Civics course.

 

[Derec]

But twist themselves into a pretzel defending Trump calling our country a country of “A lot of Killers”.

Omar, Tlaib and Trump. If you add their IQs together, you may crack three digits. If they are having a good day.

 

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Mehdi Hasan on Twitter: "To be clear, Omar was referring to two specific ICC investigations involving the US & the Taliban in Afghanistan & Israel & Hamas in Gaza.

Mehdi Hassan. Another US and Israel hater. Figures he'd come to her defense.

In any case, she never mentioned ICC in her tweet. Not that it matters. ICC is the Jonathan Crane of international jurisprudence.

Muslim Americans are fed up of constantly being accused of supporting terrorism - including by liberals and Democrats! - when they/we simply make factual points about international law or foreign policies or war crimes.

When you equate islamofascist terrorist groups with Israel or US, then it is fair to say you at least tacitly support terrorism.

New: Fellow Democrat and dean of the Minnesota delegation, Rep. Betty McCollum, responds to controversy around Rep. Ilhan Omar's tweet. (link)" / Twitter

Figures. Betty McCollum has been anti-Israel for a long time.

 

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Waleed Shahid on Twitter: ""Muslims more so than most people have great animosity towards Israel and the Jewish faith. As you have more and more Muslims in the US, as they gain greater and greater influence in elections...you’re going to see more people like @IlhanMN, @RashidaTlaib." -@RepMoBrooks (vid link)" / Twitter

Mo Brooks is correct. Just look at Europe and how increasing Islamization goes hand in hand with increasing antisemitism.

 

[Derec]

Cori Bush on Twitter: "Stop attacking @IlhanMN. Stop attacking us.

Freedom of speech also means freedom to criticize speech of others. Like Tlaib, Omar and yes, Bush.

I'm not surprised when Republicans attack Black women for standing up for human rights. But when it’s Democrats, it’s especially hurtful. We’re your colleagues. Talk to us directly.

What does being a "black woman" have to do with it? We should be free to criticize everybody, regardless of color or genitalia!

Enough with the anti-Blackness and Islamophobia.

Criticizing statements is neither. Get over yourselves with this idiotic identity politics!

They have no concept for the danger they put her in by skipping private conversations & leaping to fueling targeted news cycles around her."

You guys have newly beefed up Capitol security, so you're all rather safe. No thanks to you, AOC. You voted against the bill, remember?

Rashida Tlaib on Twitter: "Freedom of speech doesn't exist for Muslim women in Congress. The benefit of the doubt doesn't exist for Muslim women in Congress. House Democratic leadership should be ashamed of its relentless, exclusive tone policing of Congresswomen of color." / Twitter

YES. This is the braindead tweet I really started this thread about. FINALLY somebody mentions it.
Criticism is an integral part of freedom of speech. Omar has freedom of speech, but so do Republicans and moderate Democrats. And even if Omar had suffered some actual consequences by Pelosi (which she didn't because Pelosi is a wimp), that is still not a denial of her freedom of speech.

Rashida Tlaib went full retard here.

 

[untermensche]

The retard is the blind mindless supporter of decades of Israeli crimes and theft.

 

[Swammerdami]

"No, Rashida Tlaib. Somebody being criticized for making idiotic statements is not violation of freedom of speech!"

I'm curious what the "idiotic statements" were. Was Tlaib or Omar defending a Republican comment?

just, fair, and reasonable!

It is none of those things. Do you think Tlaib saying that criticism of Omar is tantamount to taking away her freedom of speech is "reasonable" too?

I quoted what I was responding to. If you missed it, just click on the little double arrow in the blue box next to my name.

 

[ZiprHead]

I saw the comment that prompted this. She said both the Israeli government and Hamas should be held accountable for their war crimes.

Hamas is committing war crimes by shooting rockets at civilians from civilian areas, and doing things like digging offensive tunnels under UN schools. Israel is targeting Hamas fighters and infrastructure, which is legal conduct in war.

There are no not-civilian areas in Palestinian territories.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I saw the comment that prompted this. She said both the Israeli government and Hamas should be held accountable for their war crimes.

Hamas is committing war crimes by shooting rockets at civilians from civilian areas, and doing things like digging offensive tunnels under UN schools. Israel is targeting Hamas fighters and infrastructure, which is legal conduct in war.

There are no not-civilian areas in Palestinian territories.

I'd quiver with this a little. Israel proper is a civilian area (outside of the military bases). I would say that it's more of an open question in Israeli settlements located in Palestinian areas (I'd define as areas outside the 1967 border.)

 

[ZiprHead]

There are no not-civilian areas in Palestinian territories.

I'd quiver with this a little. Israel proper is a civilian area (outside of the military bases). I would say that it's more of an open question in Israeli settlements located in Palestinian areas (I'd define as areas outside the 1967 border.)

I would not consider Israeli settlements in what was once Palestinian land to be Palestinian territories, i.e. under Palestinian control.

And sorry I made you quiver.

 

[Harry Bosch]

There are no not-civilian areas in Palestinian territories.

I'd quiver with this a little. Israel proper is a civilian area (outside of the military bases). I would say that it's more of an open question in Israeli settlements located in Palestinian areas (I'd define as areas outside the 1967 border.)

I would not consider Israeli settlements in what was once Palestinian land to be Palestinian territories, i.e. under Palestinian control.

And sorry I made you quiver.

Actually, I misinterpreted your post. My fault. Please disregard my post. I'll stop quivering now!

 

[Derec]

There are no not-civilian areas in Palestinian territories.

Of course there are non-civilian areas. What are you babbling about?