Aboriginal Civil Disobedience

[TomC]

But if you ask me, sure, I say obviously it was very wrong to kidnap and murder children (not all of them were murdered, but what was done was still very wrong).

I think everyone here agrees that the genocidal aspects of those schools was morally appalling.

But the deaths need to be put in perspective. Nowadays we take super low child mortality rates for granted. Things didn't used to be that way. We take nutrition and hygiene and medical care for granted, when it just didn't exist back then. They just didn't have vaccination and tetracycline. They didn't even have aspirin or vitamin supplements or Bactine. This was true for everyone, not just poor kids in a crowded boarding school, although I'm sure it hit them harder. White kids didn't fare any better.

People might be shocked by how much of the inhabited world is an unmarked grave of a child.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But if you ask me, sure, I say obviously it was very wrong to kidnap and murder children (not all of them were murdered, but what was done was still very wrong).

I think everyone here agrees that the genocidal aspects of those schools was morally appalling.

But...

Oh yeah... here's the but. Get ready everyone.

...the deaths need to be put in perspective.

OMFG!!! *rings bell* Have a cigar man, that was top 1% of post but statements.

Nowadays we take super low child mortality rates for granted. Things didn't used to be that way. We take nutrition and hygiene and medical care for granted, when it just didn't exist back then. They just didn't have vaccination and tetracycline. They didn't even have aspirin or vitamin supplements or Bactine. This was true for everyone, not just poor kids in a crowded boarding school, although I'm sure it hit them harder. White kids didn't fare any better.

Did you know that the Canadian Government took over some of these places, without even having to purchase them from the churches because the conditions were were so dilapidated and terrible, they rendered the structure and property worthless? Yeah... children were living there, well, the ones that hadn't died.

People might be shocked by how much of the inhabited world is an unmarked grave of a child.

Is this a confession?

 

[Gospel]

But if you ask me, sure, I say obviously it was very wrong to kidnap and murder children (not all of them were murdered, but what was done was still very wrong).

I think everyone here agrees that the genocidal aspects of those schools was morally appalling.

But the deaths need to be put in perspective. Nowadays we take super low child mortality rates for granted. Things didn't used to be that way. We take nutrition and hygiene and medical care for granted, when it just didn't exist back then. They just didn't have vaccination and tetracycline. They didn't even have aspirin or vitamin supplements or Bactine. This was true for everyone, not just poor kids in a crowded boarding school, although I'm sure it hit them harder. White kids didn't fare any better.

People might be shocked by how much of the inhabited world is an unmarked grave of a child.
Tom

Whitesplainging at it again. So, these specific graves you say are the result of a bad health care system? It has nothing to do with indoctrination camps for indigenous people by occupiers? It was a health care issue?

 

[TomC]

But if you ask me, sure, I say obviously it was very wrong to kidnap and murder children (not all of them were murdered, but what was done was still very wrong).

I think everyone here agrees that the genocidal aspects of those schools was morally appalling.

But the deaths need to be put in perspective. Nowadays we take super low child mortality rates for granted. Things didn't used to be that way. We take nutrition and hygiene and medical care for granted, when it just didn't exist back then. They just didn't have vaccination and tetracycline. They didn't even have aspirin or vitamin supplements or Bactine. This was true for everyone, not just poor kids in a crowded boarding school, although I'm sure it hit them harder. White kids didn't fare any better.

People might be shocked by how much of the inhabited world is an unmarked grave of a child.
Tom

Whitesplainging at it again. So, these specific graves you say are the result of a bad health care system? It has nothing to do with indoctrination camps for indigenous people by occupiers? It was a health care issue?

I bolded a couple of points. Maybe that will help.
Tom

 

[thebeave]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the past injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust? Or from Pol Pot's regime? If not, why not?

 

[Gospel]

Whitesplainging at it again. So, these specific graves you say are the result of a bad health care system? It has nothing to do with indoctrination camps for indigenous people by occupiers? It was a health care issue?

I bolded a couple of points. Maybe that will help.
Tom

Nah. The rest of your comment was more helpful.

 

[Gospel]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust? Or from Pol Pot's regime? If not, why not?

Nope, but If the fire started I sure wouldn't complain more about the fires than the injustices they are in response to.

 

[TomC]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust? Or from Pol Pot's regime? If not, why not?

The White House existed while The Trail of Tears was being perpetrated. Maybe someone should burn it?
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust? Or from Pol Pot's regime? If not, why not?

The White House existed while The Trail of Tears was being perpetrated. Maybe someone should burn it?
Tom

No you're just being purposefully obtuse. If they found mass graves of children buried around the Whitehouse that were deliberately hidden from public knowledge for years we can have that discussion.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust?

Was and is Germany actively hiding the crimes of the Holocaust?

 

[TomC]

Whitesplainging at it again. So, these specific graves you say are the result of a bad health care system? It has nothing to do with indoctrination camps for indigenous people by occupiers? It was a health care issue?

I bolded a couple of points. Maybe that will help.
Tom

Nah. The rest of your comment was more helpful.

Which part? The part about the world being a much worse place for everyone, especially children, than it is now?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nah. The rest of your comment was more helpful.

Which part? The part about the world being a much worse place for everyone, especially children, than it is now?
Tom

This argument wouldn't fall so much on its face had the graves been marked.

 

[TomC]

Would it be appropriate to torch other buildings around the world where there were mass killings and graves in the past, just because the injustice makes us angry in 2021? Like from the Holocaust? Or from Pol Pot's regime? If not, why not?

The White House existed while The Trail of Tears was being perpetrated. Maybe someone should burn it?
Tom

No you're just being purposefully obtuse. If they found mass graves of children buried around the Whitehouse that were deliberately hidden from public knowledge for years we can have that discussion.

Now you're being purposely obtuse. The occupants of the White House ordered a genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives. Hundreds died along the way. The fact that this didn't happen on White House grounds doesn't change the horrible reality or who is responsible.
Tom

 

[TomC]

Nah. The rest of your comment was more helpful.

Which part? The part about the world being a much worse place for everyone, especially children, than it is now?
Tom

This argument wouldn't fall so much on its face had the graves been marked.

Back when child mortality rates were well into double digits, how many poor kids do think got headstones?
Tom

 

[Gospel]

No you're just being purposefully obtuse. If they found mass graves of children buried around the Whitehouse that were deliberately hidden from public knowledge for years we can have that discussion.

Now you're being purposely obtuse. The occupants of the White House ordered a genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives. Hundreds died along the way. The fact that this didn't happen on White House grounds doesn't change the horrible reality or who is responsible.
Tom

The genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives wasn't a secret intentionally kept hidden and unaddressed. To be honest with you (super obtuse man) the Native Americans would have had every right to burn the Whitehouse down.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This argument wouldn't fall so much on its face had the graves been marked.

Back when child mortality rates were well into double digits, how many poor kids do think got headstones?
Tom

We aren't talking about ornate and intricate slabs of marble. We are talking something small. Maybe even a sign indicating hundreds of children are buried here.

 

[TomC]

No you're just being purposefully obtuse. If they found mass graves of children buried around the Whitehouse that were deliberately hidden from public knowledge for years we can have that discussion.

Now you're being purposely obtuse. The occupants of the White House ordered a genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives. Hundreds died along the way. The fact that this didn't happen on White House grounds doesn't change the horrible reality or who is responsible.
Tom

The genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives wasn't a secret intentionally kept hidden and unaddressed. To be honest with you (super obtuse man) the Native Americans would have had every right to burn the Whitehouse down.

What makes you think that the child mortality at the schools was a "secret kept intentionally"? I see no reason to think the people at the time were unaware of it.
Tom

 

[TomC]

This argument wouldn't fall so much on its face had the graves been marked.

Back when child mortality rates were well into double digits, how many poor kids do think got headstones?
Tom

We aren't talking about ornate and intricate slabs of marble. We are talking something small. Maybe even a sign indicating hundreds of children are buried here.

How do know there wasn't, a hundred years ago?
I'm not saying there was, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if the old wooden sign has long rotted away.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

The genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives wasn't a secret intentionally kept hidden and unaddressed. To be honest with you (super obtuse man) the Native Americans would have had every right to burn the Whitehouse down.

What makes you think that the child mortality at the schools was a "secret kept intentionally"? I see no reason to think the people at the time were unaware of it.
Tom

You're so adorable when you go full-blown white like that.

 

[TomC]

The genocidal relocation of thousands of Natives wasn't a secret intentionally kept hidden and unaddressed. To be honest with you (super obtuse man) the Native Americans would have had every right to burn the Whitehouse down.

What makes you think that the child mortality at the schools was a "secret kept intentionally"? I see no reason to think the people at the time were unaware of it.
Tom

You're so adorable when you go full-blown white like that.

How black of you comment like that.
Tom