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Is the doctrine of hell something to be ashamed of?

Dogma says that God was master of all in the beginning.

If God has to create a hell for those he creates defective, then he shows that he cannot do his will, which wants none to be lost.

That is scripture, and if God loses even one of us, it shows a defect in him.

Regards
DL
 
In the interests of conciseness the answer to the OP is no.
I might have reworded the OP to ask if the doctrine of hell is just. Sorry, Tigers, but there is no way that anyone can honestly say that a doctrine which claims that anyone outside of a particular religion or anyone who has committed crimes or "sins" during their lives, deserves to suffer for all of eternity. NO! There is no justice is such a belief. You can claim that everything god does or says is based on justice, but that's a pretty looney claim if one really thinks about it.
I have a very good reason for not "wording" the OP to ask if the doctrine of hell is just: that issue has already been debated ad infinitum, and the obvious answer is no, there is no justice in eternally torturing anybody no matter how evil they may be. So I see no reason in beating a dead horse. However, belief in hell is nevertheless still very popular. So I think a much better question is to ask if any Christian who believes in hell is actually proud to believe it or is ashamed to believe it. What could possibly motivate a person to approve of such a heinous act as damnation, and is that motivation potentially dangerous? Is it sociopathic?
 
Yes it's sociopathic. Sociopaths value their competitive self over the rest of society. They see things in terms of "I win when you lose". So the notion of everyone going to heaven would seem unfair to them. It'd make them feel less special.

They're not going to verbalize it that way. They're going to say something about a divine plan and they can't be haughty and criticize God's plan.
 
Yes it's sociopathic. Sociopaths value their competitive self over the rest of society. They see things in terms of "I win when you lose". So the notion of everyone going to heaven would seem unfair to them. It'd make them feel less special.

They're not going to verbalize it that way. They're going to say something about a divine plan and they can't be haughty and criticize God's plan.
I suppose the Christian's shame over hell belief might be their one saving grace. A sociopath has a complete lack of conscience, but if a Christian doesn't want to "verbalize it that way," their implied shame indicates that they do have a bit of conscience. Shame, after all, is really a good thing.
 
In the interests of conciseness the answer to the OP is no.
I might have reworded the OP to ask if the doctrine of hell is just. Sorry, Tigers, but there is no way that anyone can honestly say that a doctrine which claims that anyone outside of a particular religion or anyone who has committed crimes or "sins" during their lives, deserves to suffer for all of eternity. NO! There is no justice is such a belief. You can claim that everything god does or says is based on justice, but that's a pretty looney claim if one really thinks about it.

When my mother admitted to my husband that she no longer believed that I'm going to hell, I was happy for her. It didn't matter to me that my mother believed that nonsense, but I felt it must have been a burden for her to believe that her first born daughter who always had a very close relationship with her, would be spending eternity being tortured just because I am unable to find any truth in her religious beliefs. So, hopefully, the truth set her free.
I am glad you can tell whether I am honest or not via these fora.
 
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In the interests of conciseness the answer to the OP is no.
I might have reworded the OP to ask if the doctrine of hell is just. Sorry, Tigers, but there is no way that anyone can honestly say that a doctrine which claims that anyone outside of a particular religion or anyone who has committed crimes or "sins" during their lives, deserves to suffer for all of eternity. NO! There is no justice is such a belief. You can claim that everything god does or says is based on justice, but that's a pretty looney claim if one really thinks about it.
I have a very good reason for not "wording" the OP to ask if the doctrine of hell is just: that issue has already been debated ad infinitum, and the obvious answer is no, there is no justice in eternally torturing anybody no matter how evil they may be. So I see no reason in beating a dead horse. However, belief in hell is nevertheless still very popular. So I think a much better question is to ask if any Christian who believes in hell is actually proud to believe it or is ashamed to believe it. What could possibly motivate a person to approve of such a heinous act as damnation, and is that motivation potentially dangerous? Is it sociopathic?
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. Either it is true or it is not.
 
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it.
Are other Christians ashamed of it? And since you're not ashamed of your belief in hell, would you have told Eddie that his Jewish mother went to hell?
Either it is true or it is not.
It isn't true. So let's discuss if Christian apologists are too ashamed of their belief in hell to tell people that their non-Christian deceased loved-ones are there in hell.

And while we're at it, I may have cancer. If it kills me, then will I go to hell?
 
Is it sociopathic?

If I have a finite life here, even 120 years, and sin, the notion of me spending 6241000000000000000000000000000000+ --- years in punishment, --- is a clear violation of an eye for an eye, which is what the bible itself says is close to justice.

I do not know if that is sociopathic, but it is against scriptures and justice.

Regards
DL
 
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. Either it is true or it is not.
How much truth do you think there is in a bible that says that God's wish and desire is not to lose any souls, and then posits that he will lose the great majority of us tom hell?

The bible is lying one way or the other.

Which way?

Regards
DL
 
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. Either it is true or it is not.
How much truth do you think there is in a bible that says that God's wish and desire is not to lose any souls, and then posits that he will lose the great majority of us tom hell?

The bible is lying one way or the other.

Which way?

Regards
DL
Both are true.
God desires that all be saved and provides a way of salvation. But you and I are not forced to take the offer of salvation. We can ignore or reject the offer. The choice is ours.
As are any consequences that may follow.
 
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it.
Are other Christians ashamed of it? And since you're not ashamed of your belief in hell, would you have told Eddie that his Jewish mother went to hell?
Either it is true or it is not.
It isn't true. So let's discuss if Christian apologists are too ashamed of their belief in hell to tell people that their non-Christian deceased loved-ones are there in hell.

And while we're at it, I may have cancer. If it kills me, then will I go to hell?
The cancer may be the cause of your death but it does not cause you to go to hell. Your attitudes, behaviour, character etc. are the determinative factor in your eternal destination.

Concerning Eddie's mother - You seem to put a great store of telling truth as do I. So if I was asked about where his mother went I would say so.
 
I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. Either it is true or it is not.
How much truth do you think there is in a bible that says that God's wish and desire is not to lose any souls, and then posits that he will lose the great majority of us tom hell?

The bible is lying one way or the other.

Which way?

Regards
DL
Both are true.
God desires that all be saved and provides a way of salvation. But you and I are not forced to take the offer of salvation. We can ignore or reject the offer. The choice is ours.
As are any consequences that may follow.
Try your stupid "both are true" idiocy on your ilk.

Imaginary consequences of a Christian invention, hell, does not bother me.

I put away the things of children when I grew up.

Tell us, given you believe you have been condemned, what was the great sin that earned you hell?

No free will B.S. as your bible says you and I do not have it.

I am sure you remember your bible and it's commands, as well as scriptures that that deny all our free will.

Regards
DL
 
Do lifeguards only save drowning swimmers that want to be saved?
Lifeguards save people regardless of race, religion, sex, morality, beliefs, or sexuality.

Jesus saves only if you believe he is the one and only. A bit narcissistic. Jesus demands to always be the center of attention.
 
Do lifeguards only save drowning swimmers that want to be saved?
Created sick, and told only the well are saved.

Even though scriptures say that God will not lose any of us.

Lies over lies.

Regards
DL
And as you say about your self, you represent goodness and truth, nutin' but he truth and the whole truth so help you ????.

We know it is true because you say so?
 
Do lifeguards only save drowning swimmers that want to be saved?
You may not call out to the lifeguards if in trouble. They may not notice you otherwise.
I do not know if there are any accounts of people who have resisted lifeguards attempts at saving.

Well, they exist. Here's Richard Carrier describing exactly such a situation:

Back in my days as a flight-deck firefighter, when our ship’s helicopter was on rescue missions, we had to stand around in our gear in case of a crash. There was usually very little to do, so we told stories. One I heard was about a rescue swimmer. She had to pull a family out of the water from a capsized boat, but by the time the chopper got there, it appeared everyone had drowned except the mother, who was for that reason shedding her life vest and trying to drown herself. The swimmer dove in to rescue her, but she kicked and screamed and yelled to let her die. She even gave the swimmer a whopping black eye. But the swimmer said to hell with that, I’m bringing you in! And she did, enduring her curses and blows all the way.

Later, it turned out that one of the victim’s children, her daughter, had survived. She had drifted pretty far from the wreck, but the rescue team pulled her out, and the woman who had beaten the crap out of her rescuer apologized and thanked her for saving her against her will. Everyone in my group agreed the rescue swimmer had done the right thing, and we all would have done the same—because that is what a loving, caring being does. It follows that if God is a loving being, he will do no less for us. In the real world, kind people don’t act like some stubborn, pouting God who abandons the drowning simply because they don’t want to be helped. They act like this rescue swimmer. They act like us.

So a perfect stranger insists on saving a woman from death against her will. But God won't do the same to save us from Hell unless we ask politely first.
 
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