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Metaphor said:
Tell me, when the government mandated separation of race in public schools, would it have been incoherent to oppose that, whilst still supporting drinking water standards for your community?
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Is it a "mixed" community? Do you have separate water fountains for blacks?
What a fabulous question you pose. Very revealing.
 
Metaphor said:
Elixir said:
Right. “Sheeple” are such better targets.
How I do love right wing extremist hypocrisy! ❤️❤️❤️
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So, you've witnessed multiple people on this thread call the unvaccinated 'plague rats'. Who have you witnessed calling people 'sheeple'?
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Do you want a list of names? Why?
Even if you had a reason beyond trying to score rhetorical points, why should I honor it?

I call Fox viewers "sheeples", and FOX viewing, trumpsucking plague rats widely refer to people who have been vaccinated as "sheeples". You didn't know that? ... amazing. You must be stuck in the 1820s...

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you see, Meta, the joke doesn't work as well if the bottom caption reads "FOX scaring plague rats in 2022".
 
Dr Scott Gottlieb, former director of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and current board member at Pfizer, says that the declining cases should be a signal to officials that it is time to start lifting some pandemic-related restrictions. 'I think certainly on the east coast where you see cases declining dramatically we need to be willing to lean in and do that very soon I think as conditions improve we have to be willing to relax some of these measures with the same speed that we put them in place,' he told CNBC's The Squawk Box. He compares the current U.S. situation to that of the UK. Across the pond, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has set plans to drop all pandemic restrictions amid a drop in cases. Gottlieb said that America should soon follow, and pointed out masks in schools and vaccine mandates as particularly 'divisive' restrictions that he thinks should go.
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Daily Mail

Amen to that.
 
Wow, a former director of the FDA! His job title sounds totally objective, non-partisan and trustworthy. He can't possibly be a conservative who previously worked for W, left govt during Obama years, hated on ObamaCare, worked for conservative think-tanks, worked for the Trump campaign and then was appointed back to a govt position during the Chosen One's Ascendancy.

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That said, as rational people, we ought to have some kind of objective criteria to say when it is time to lift mask and vaccine mandates and what policies make sense to keep permanently, if any at all.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Wow, a former director of the FDA! His job title sounds totally objective, non-partisan and trustworthy. He can't possibly be a conservative who previously worked for W, left govt during Obama years, hated on ObamaCare, worked for conservative think-tanks, worked for the Trump campaign and then was appointed back to a govt position during the Chosen One's Ascendancy.
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Well, he is a regular on CNN, so I think he is considered trustworthy.
 
Elixir said:
Metaphor said:
Tell me, when the government mandated separation of race in public schools, would it have been incoherent to oppose that, whilst still supporting drinking water standards for your community?
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Is it a "mixed" community? Do you have separate water fountains for blacks?
What a fabulous question you pose. Very revealing.
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Not to mention strained and contorted.

I'm impressed by his middle school appreciation and grasp of reality.
 
TSwizzle said:
Dr Scott Gottlieb, former director of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and current board member at Pfizer, says that the declining cases should be a signal to officials that it is time to start lifting some pandemic-related restrictions. 'I think certainly on the east coast where you see cases declining dramatically we need to be willing to lean in and do that very soon I think as conditions improve we have to be willing to relax some of these measures with the same speed that we put them in place,' he told CNBC's The Squawk Box. He compares the current U.S. situation to that of the UK. Across the pond, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has set plans to drop all pandemic restrictions amid a drop in cases. Gottlieb said that America should soon follow, and pointed out masks in schools and vaccine mandates as particularly 'divisive' restrictions that he thinks should go.
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Daily Mail

Amen to that.
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The thing is that there’s little difference between free states and lockdown states when it comes to rates of infection and death. The spikes occur regardless. The vaccines are probably beneficial to adults and have been available for over a year. The choice is either to continue with lockdowns and depriving freedom forever or to just learn to live with it. This policy difference will likely have a big impact on the midterms.
 
barbos said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Wow, a former director of the FDA! His job title sounds totally objective, non-partisan and trustworthy. He can't possibly be a conservative who previously worked for W, left govt during Obama years, hated on ObamaCare, worked for conservative think-tanks, worked for the Trump campaign and then was appointed back to a govt position during the Chosen One's Ascendancy.
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Well, he is a regular on CNN, so I think he is considered trustworthy.
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Well, here's his last prediction from CNN:

Former FDA Commissioner: Delta variant will likely run its course by Thanksgiving​

 
Jarhyn said:
Why are you continuing to apologize for those who resist scientifically supported measures to stop the virus from killing a bunch of our friends, or even ourselves?
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Why do you frame everything dishonestly and then expect me to take the bait?

Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Are you asking yourself that? You are the one that opposes mandates so tell me.
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But I don't oppose mandates in general. There are many I support. I oppose a specific mandate--of the government forcing medical procedures on unconsenting adults. I also oppose the draft and other things the government could (and has done) to her citizens.
 
Elixir said:
I call Fox viewers "sheeples", and FOX viewing, trumpsucking plague rats widely refer to people who have been vaccinated as "sheeples". You didn't know that? ... amazing. You must be stuck in the 1820s...
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I did not know you specifically did that, no. But I did not need further evidence that you casually dehumanise entire groups of people. I already had that evidence.
 
Metaphor said:
Elixir said:
Do you want a list of names? Why?
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No, I don't want a list of names. I want people to stop dehumanising the unvaccinated.
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No, it certainly looks like you want people to stop discouraging evil and fucked up behavior, or you would be doing both discouraging people from evil and fucked up behavior (supporting mandates that people not do things that are either evil and fucked up, or what those evil and fucked up people want), AND defending the victims of that fucked up evil behavior.

Why do you claim to do the one (badly, loudly, visibly "defend the unvaccinated") while not discouraging evil fucked up behavior and it's knock-on effects and victimizations?
 
Metaphor said:
Jarhyn said:
Why are you continuing to apologize for those who resist scientifically supported measures to stop the virus from killing a bunch of our friends, or even ourselves?
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Why do you frame everything dishonestly and then expect me to take the bait?

Here's a question: why do you oppose the government kidnapping her citizens and physically forcing the COVID-19 jab on them?
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For a vaccine that is where the virus was two years ago, even less sensible than doing this for one that would miraculously be very current.

Does taking a vaccine and even moreso boosters for an extinct strain of this virus have a bucket of positives and a bucket of negatives for dealing with variants?

Does the immune system get too locked in to the original strain and make half ass vaccine trained antibodies and make a piss poor new response to the current variant?
 
Metaphor said:
Elixir said:
Do you want a list of names? Why?
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No, I don't want a list of names. I want people to stop dehumanising the unvaccinated.
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Isn’t the point of scapegoating the unvaccinated to obfuscate the government’s inability to actually do anything about infections? When is the last time a politician ever admitted that a government policy was wrong?
 
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