26 year old male who sexually assaulted 10 year old girl will be housed in juvenile female facility.

[TomC]

I don't know any more about this than I've read on this thread, nor do I want to know.

But I could see this as a vicious punishment for the perp. I'm not an expert on jail, much less juvenile female facilities. But I could easily see the perp having no access to the other inmates, so they're safe. And the staff has access to the perp and might go out of their way to make "his" life a living Hell.

Putting "him" in this facility might be the ugliest thing the judge could legally do.

Tom

My reading is that the rapist will be put in isolation. So the placement in a girls facility is kind of inconsequential. But had he been charged as an adult for the violent rape of a child, he’d face a long prison term and sex offender registration.

I get all that.
But when it comes to prosecution, you've got to draw clear bright lines. Your 18th birthday is one of them, a clear bright line drawn in a murky grey. Some 18 year olds are far more self possessed than others, and some in very different ways than others. But we've got to draw a line somewhere, realizing that it isn't always accurate, or there wouldn't be any lines at all. Which would be even worse.

Tom

 

[Trausti]

I don't know any more about this than I've read on this thread, nor do I want to know.

But I could see this as a vicious punishment for the perp. I'm not an expert on jail, much less juvenile female facilities. But I could easily see the perp having no access to the other inmates, so they're safe. And the staff has access to the perp and might go out of their way to make "his" life a living Hell.

Putting "him" in this facility might be the ugliest thing the judge could legally do.

Tom

My reading is that the rapist will be put in isolation. So the placement in a girls facility is kind of inconsequential. But had he been charged as an adult for the violent rape of a child, he’d face a long prison term and sex offender registration.

I get all that.
But when it comes to prosecution, you've got to draw clear bright lines. Your 18th birthday is one of them, a clear bright line drawn in a murky grey. Some 18 year olds are far more self possessed than others, and some in very different ways than others. But we've got to draw a line somewhere, realizing that it isn't always accurate, or there wouldn't be any lines at all. Which would be even worse.

Tom

So that 15 year old who shot up his school in Michigan should not have been charged as an adult?

 

[TomC]

So that 15 year old who shot up his school in Michigan should not have charged as an adult?

Correct. I don't think so.

Recognizing that he's a seriously fucked up puppy and dealing with that is different. I'm all about that.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

I don't know any more about this than I've read on this thread, nor do I want to know.

But I could see this as a vicious punishment for the perp. I'm not an expert on jail, much less juvenile female facilities. But I could easily see the perp having no access to the other inmates, so they're safe. And the staff has access to the perp and might go out of their way to make "his" life a living Hell.

Putting "him" in this facility might be the ugliest thing the judge could legally do.

Tom

I don't condone extra-curial punishment, but the idea that a man convicted of sexual assault against a child is "worse off" in a facility for underage girls than in the male estate is....extremely unlikely to be true. Child molesters are the lowest rung on the prison social ladder.

 

[Metaphor]

My reading is that the rapist will be put in isolation. So the placement in a girls facility is kind of inconsequential. But had he been charged as an adult for the violent rape of a child, he’d face a long prison term and sex offender registration.

He didn't need to be charged as an adult, but he is now an adult and belongs in an adult prison.

 

[Jarhyn]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

 

[TomC]

I don't know any more about this than I've read on this thread, nor do I want to know.

But I could see this as a vicious punishment for the perp. I'm not an expert on jail, much less juvenile female facilities. But I could easily see the perp having no access to the other inmates, so they're safe. And the staff has access to the perp and might go out of their way to make "his" life a living Hell.

Putting "him" in this facility might be the ugliest thing the judge could legally do.

Tom

I don't condone extra-curial punishment, but the idea that a man convicted of sexual assault against a child is "worse off" in a facility for underage girls than in the male estate is....extremely unlikely to be true. Child molesters are the lowest rung on the prison social ladder.

Feel free to explain why you think this.

What I think is going on here is you making assertions about the conditions in U.S. correctional facilities when you don't know much about the subject. You talk about the USA a lot, without particularly knowing what you're talking about.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

I don't know any more about this than I've read on this thread, nor do I want to know.

But I could see this as a vicious punishment for the perp. I'm not an expert on jail, much less juvenile female facilities. But I could easily see the perp having no access to the other inmates, so they're safe. And the staff has access to the perp and might go out of their way to make "his" life a living Hell.

Putting "him" in this facility might be the ugliest thing the judge could legally do.

Tom

I don't condone extra-curial punishment, but the idea that a man convicted of sexual assault against a child is "worse off" in a facility for underage girls than in the male estate is....extremely unlikely to be true. Child molesters are the lowest rung on the prison social ladder.

Feel free to explain why you think this.

What I think is going on here is you making assertions about the conditions in U.S. correctional facilities when you don't know much about the subject. You talk about the USA a lot, without particularly knowing what you're talking about.
Tom

Male prisons are more violent than female prisons, mostly because men are more violent than women. The highest level of security in male prisons is higher than the highest level of security in female prisons because of it.

As for child molesters being the bottom of the prison social ladder, that is indeed taken from accounts I've read about in Australian prisons. Child molesters are almost always isolated for this reason, but it still doesn't stop bags of piss and shit being flung on them when they have their separated exercise session.

 

[Metaphor]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

Hannah Tubbs is male, and the correct pronoun for the male of a species is 'he'.

 

[Trausti]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

Calling someone a “preferred” pronoun, to flatter their narcissism, is a matter of respect. I don’t respect child rapists. I will not deny reality to fulfill the fantasies of pedophile predators.

 

[Jarhyn]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

Hannah Tubbs is male, and the correct pronoun for the male of a species is 'he'.

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity. Other acceptable pronouns include any such that does not explicitly conflict with their named social identity.

Otherwise someone could easily justify calling all "gay people" by the utterance "faggot", under the belief that the correct pronoun for such is "faggot".

 

[Trausti]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

Hannah Tubbs is male, and the correct pronoun for the male of a species is 'he'.

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity. Other acceptable pronouns include any such that does not explicitly conflict with their named social identity.

Otherwise someone could easily justify calling all "gay people" by the utterance "faggot", under the belief that the correct pronoun for such is "faggot".

This is amazing. A child rapist gets a light sentence because the DA treats all juvenile offenses the same, but our real concern should be affirming the rapist’s gender identity. We live in really stupid times.

 

[Jarhyn]

She.

Its amazing how many people here are so willing to ignore the identity of a person just because they have been (are?) also a rather awful person.

They can be an awful child rapist born with a penis and still be "she", and she can still be an inappropriate inmate to house among anyone at all similar to her victim.

Hannah Tubbs is male, and the correct pronoun for the male of a species is 'he'.

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity. Other acceptable pronouns include any such that does not explicitly conflict with their named social identity.

Otherwise someone could easily justify calling all "gay people" by the utterance "faggot", under the belief that the correct pronoun for such is "faggot".

This is amazing. A child rapist gets a light sentence because the DA treats all juvenile offenses the same, but our real concern should be affirming the rapist’s gender identity. We live in really stupid times.

Even so, I would never house * who would rape or make pregnant °°° with °°°, whatever °°° happens to be.

Look how easy it is to NOT invoke or beg questions about sex, despite the OP making it about sex.

* = Anyone, including °°°

C: it is entirely UNreasonable to say "I want people housed together because (nonsense about "men" and "women" needing to be houses with "men" and "women" respectively)".

Oh hey, fancy that, it's my first and second posts to the thread. It's almost like you are trying to bury my lead.

 

[Metaphor]

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity.

The correct pronoun for males is 'he', for females is 'she', and for a group of people, or a hypothetical person, or somebody of unknown sex, is 'they'.

 

[Jarhyn]

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity.

The correct pronoun for males is 'he', for females is 'she', and for a group of people, or a hypothetical person, or somebody of unknown sex, is 'they'.

By what principle?

 

[TomC]

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity.

In polite conversation I agree. But I'm no purist.
Referring to Tubbs as a person, I'd probably be kind enough to use the preferred references. Tubbs the rapist perp committed a very masculine crime. He doesn't get polite treatment when we're talking about his status as a vicious criminal.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What do you want me to do about it?

Discussion boards are about discussion, aren't they?

Do you think it's right that a 26 year old male who sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl should be housed in the juvenile female estate?

If not, where should he be housed?

It seems obvious to me that an adult male should be housed in the adult male estate (even though he committed the crime when he was a minor), and that there are multiple problems with California's legal system for this to happen.

It is odd you didn't even seem to read the article and the odd exceptions, shortcomings, and mistakes made by the prosecution with this case that caused the rather absurd outcome. Instead, you read an article title, which led to your LGBT hard-on rage OP'ing.

 

[Metaphor]

The correct pronoun for any person is exactly the pronoun that comports with their public and social identity.

The correct pronoun for males is 'he', for females is 'she', and for a group of people, or a hypothetical person, or somebody of unknown sex, is 'they'.

By what principle?

By usage in English over hundreds of years.

 

[Metaphor]

What do you want me to do about it?

Discussion boards are about discussion, aren't they?

Do you think it's right that a 26 year old male who sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl should be housed in the juvenile female estate?

If not, where should he be housed?

It seems obvious to me that an adult male should be housed in the adult male estate (even though he committed the crime when he was a minor), and that there are multiple problems with California's legal system for this to happen.

It is odd you didn't even seem to read the article and the odd exceptions, shortcomings, and mistakes made by the prosecution with this case that caused the rather absurd outcome. Instead, you read an article title, which led to your LGBT hard-on rage OP'ing.

I read the entire article before posting it.

Whether the prosecution made 'mistakes' is your supposition and is not in evidence. It could have been an oversight, or it could have been deliberate.

I agree the outcome is absurd and it's an outcome I don't think should happen again.

 

[Gun Nut]

The issue is that the DA chose to prosecute in juvenile court rather than as an adult. That’s a policy choice. Elections have consequences.

Why do we have juvenile courts if we aren't going to treat juveniles like juveniles?

He committed a violent rape of a child just shy of his 18th birthday. Juveniles can be and are prosecuted in adult court for heinous crimes. Here, the DA chose not to do that. That’s a policy choice.

Well, up to this post you appeared to be saying

1) trans having some kind of bathroom "rights" endangers our children
2) liberal courts are institutionally feeding children to adult pedophiles

but now it's

3) This criminal should have been treated as an adult

OK. Maybe-shoulda. That's why there is the provision of law where on the 19th birthday the once-juvenile, now-adult delinquent can be transferred to an adult facility (and this is where the DA fucked up.. I see no reason why it can't be easily and quickly remedied - it's just a blip of missing paperwork). The only real difference I can see with having been tried as a minor is that she will not be on the sex offender registry.

Is that it? This would have been handled correctly if only for not being transferred at 19 and not put on the registry?