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I can't tell you if I'm vaccinated. That would violate HIPAA rules.' What an Idiot!

untermensche

Well-known member
She is right and wrong.

She does not have to reveal her vaccine status.

But the First Amendment gives HER the right to talk about her vaccine status to anyone.

HIPPA has no application and the psychopath doesn't know and doesn't care to know.

To her she has her brilliant way out of answering the question and is laughing at how she is such a master mind.

I got my shots in a room filled with about 100 other people.

It is not personal medical information.
 

TomC

Well-known member
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
"a violation of my HIPPA rights" :rofl:

Also, it's HIPAA, but that's on Dominick Mastrangelo or whoever typed up the copy. But I would still put my money on that's how Greene would spell it if written.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Well-known member
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
Greene is propagating fear of the vaccine. Fuck her.
 

TomC

Well-known member
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
Greene is propagating fear of the vaccine. Fuck her.

I agree. Which is why I'm not defending her.

I'm just pointing out the disconnect between the OP title and the reality.
Tom
 

Jimmy Higgins

Well-known member
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
Greene is propagating fear of the vaccine. Fuck her.

I agree. Which is why I'm not defending her.

I'm just pointing out the disconnect between the OP title and the reality.
Tom
Don't or can't display a near equivalent problem for Greene.
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
No. She was asked if she's vaccinated. She replied that the question is a violation of her rights under HIPPA. There are no rules preventing anyone from asking such questions. So the title is not misleading.
 

TomC

Well-known member
Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom
No. She was asked if she's vaccinated. She replied that the question is a violation of her rights under HIPPA. There are no rules preventing anyone from asking such questions. So the title is not misleading.

Does the OP title say "I can't tell you"?
I'm sure it does.

Did MTG say "I can't tell you"? I don't know of her saying that. She was quoted in the OP as saying something else.
Tom
 

funinspace

Well-known member
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It doesn't matter how many people know about it. It's personal medical information that is illegal for medical professionals to divulge.
Tom
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII
 

ideologyhunter

Well-known member
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.
 

Trausti

Well-known member
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.

Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.

Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine

"Feed off of"? :rofl: It's more like they seek out anything to feed their own delusions.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
FFS with the quibbling.
- No one violated any rights by asking if she got the vaccine.
- As the patient, she can divulge any damn thing about her own medical information that she wants.
- The woman doesn't know what HIPAA even entails. She's fantasizing herself being on moral high ground when the reality is she's just a dumb zealot with nothing relevant or factual to say.
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
It is not personal medical information.

No, it is. But HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities. Not to, say, the press.

How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.
 

untermensche

Well-known member
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.

Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.

They can say they saw a nurse stick a needle into a bottle and then stick that needle into me.

Can they say for certain I got the vaccine?
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It's part of your medical history, so any of those people WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HIPAA RULES cannot discuss it, reveal it, hint at it.
The rest of the 100 can say all they want about seeing you there, seeing you stuck, seeing you faint at the sight of the needle, suddenly get WiFi reception thru your iinjection site, anything.
The nurse or doctor can neither confirm nor deny. Or the guy out front that directed parking. Or the guy that set up the LAN for the burse to record your appt.

Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.
thsst's what we are saying, yes.
They can say they saw a nurse stick a needle into a bottle and then stick that needle into me.
Sure
Can they say for certain I got the vaccine?
They can say they saw you get microchipped, or vaccinated, or that the Lady Of The Vace drew the Syringe of Excaliber out of your arm, as long as by 'they' you mean anyone except those specified by HIPAA.
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It doesn't matter how many people know about it. It's personal medical information that is illegal for medical professionals to divulge.
Tom
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII

My sympathies.
I complete annual refresher training on
computer security (company),
computer security, (DoD)
other security (DoD)
HAZMAT,
and how to fill out my timesheet.

We covered PII once. Fun fun fun.
 

untermensche

Well-known member
Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.
thsst's what we are saying, yes.

Who is this "we"?

That's not what some people are saying.

They are saying me getting a shot in public in front of people who do not have a professional relationship with me is a personal matter.

By getting the vaccine in public I have made it public knowledge.

When Biden got his shot in front of camera's he made the matter public.

Anybody can talk about it.
 

funinspace

Well-known member
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII

My sympathies.
I complete annual refresher training on
computer security (company),
computer security, (DoD)
other security (DoD)
HAZMAT,
and how to fill out my timesheet.

We covered PII once. Fun fun fun.
LOL...yep, all fun stuff there, CACs and all, but I haven't done HAZMAT refreshers...the Civi Navy didn't care back when I was dabbling there.

I hated security refreshers, as the Security Weenies generally annoyed me. Gee, why the fuck did I have to explain to one of these certified...idiot...Infosec types that it wouldn't be a good idea to just uninstall OpenSSL/OpenSSH even though we had to patch it several times a year. WTF...go back to telnet? Or maybe just take all the servers off the network? I also luved the 60 day changing 15+ char passwords, with at least one CAP, one Meta char, and one numeric. But oh, keyboard patterns are not a problem...security nitwits.
 

ideologyhunter

Well-known member
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.

Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine

% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
Who is this "we"?
everyone who is saying that your vaccination is Personal Medical Information covered by HIPAA
That's not what some people are saying.

They are saying me getting a shot in public in front of people who do not have a professional relationship with me is a personal matter.
You're blurring the pronouns, then.
By getting the vaccine in public I have made it public knowledge.
which does not change the fact that it's classified as PMI by the HIPAA rules
When Biden got his shot in front of camera's he made the matter public.
Yep. But his vaccination status is still PMI.
Anybody can talk about it.
Anybody not subject to HIPAA.
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
I hated security refreshers, as the Security Weenies generally annoyed me. Gee, why the fuck did I have to explain to one of these certified...idiot...Infosec types that it wouldn't be a good idea to just uninstall OpenSSL/OpenSSH even though we had to patch it several times a year. WTF...go back to telnet? Or maybe just take all the servers off the network? I also luved the 60 day changing 15+ char passwords, with at least one CAP, one Meta char, and one numeric. But oh, keyboard patterns are not a problem...security nitwits.
I do most of my govt work with Advanced Instruction Management software. My whole team does.
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
HIPPA only applies to people that have a professional relationship to me.

Strangers that I let witness me get a vaccine have no restrictions under HIPPA.



Anybody not subject to HIPAA.

No, anybody. He made it a public matter.

It is not personal information.
The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.
 

untermensche

Well-known member
HIPPA only applies to people that have a professional relationship to me.

Strangers that I let witness me get a vaccine have no restrictions under HIPPA.



Anybody not subject to HIPAA.

No, anybody. He made it a public matter.

It is not personal information.
The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.

I don't understand your difficulty.

Public acknowledgement of something makes it not personal information.

2 + 2 = 4
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.

I don't understand your difficulty.

Public acknowledgement of something makes it not personal information.

2 + 2 = 4
Yep. You're absolutely right.
 

Trausti

Well-known member
In a little over a year, the US has suffered about as many deaths from covid as we experienced in the entire Civil War, which is usually cited as the most traumatic tragedy in our entire history. And we STILL have these righties who spread the most ignorant notions about covid and the supposed government overreach on masks and vaccines. They show utter contempt for the health care providers. Their orange hero was covid's best friend. How does America produce these people? If I shared the beliefs of the Trumpies on guns, abortion, taxation, the election system, gay rights, and civil rights (a solid no on all 6), I would still -- hopefully -- have to reject the movement because of what they've done to America since the virus landed here. How would you like to be a nurse, doctor, or intern who had to treat one of these idiots as a fresh covid case? Marjorie: forget HIPAA and report directly to your death panel.

Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine

% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?

Now imagine an alternate timeline where Pfizer didn’t deliberately halt development to throw the election, the vaccine came out when expected, and Trump wins. Those numbers would be flipped.
 

funinspace

Well-known member
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
Say wut...about the Air Intercept Missile?
 

Keith&Co.

Well-known member
For years, every new hire in IT would see AIM on someone's laptop and freak that we had installed AOL Instant Messenger on a work computer
Luckily, no one in IT today has ever used AOL, and we stopped having to threaten their lives....
Say wut...about the Air Intercept Missile?

Ssssssst! I didn't say ANYTHING about the AIcM! Senator Bumblebutt mentioned it on TV, but _i_ am still bound by classification rules, and can neither confirm nor deny any rumor thst we're working on it!
So, shush!
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
It is not personal medical information.

No, it is. But HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities. Not to, say, the press.

How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

Assuming those 100 people aren't medical people they're free to talk about it. Anyone in the line who saw me could legally say that I got my shot. (And both times it was far more than a mere 100.) However, if any of the workers there leaked my name they could be in deep doo-doo if I chose to make an issue out of it. They would not even be allowed to substantiate what someone else said.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
How is it personal if 100 people watched me get it?

It doesn't matter how many people know about it. It's personal medical information that is illegal for medical professionals to divulge.
Tom
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII

This. They didn't used to be nearly as strict about training and the like but I've had to deal with medical records before and they made sure I knew the rules (and I was only seeing billing data, not the charts themselves.) Nowhere near the hoops that I understand apply these days but both of my parents were psychology teachers who sometimes provided help to students--I grew up knowing about the confidentiality of medical records. Not to mention that in IT you end up seeing things you never discuss without adequately anonymizing, also. (That wasn't spam, I know you're gay. I'm sure he never realized I knew and I never blew his cover.)
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Not just 'medical professionals', it's anyone involved with said entity...IT professionals included. That's a dozen plus years working on HR IT systems, as well as working in the IT shop of a medical insurance company, which all required annual refresher training. Fun with HIPAA, PHI, PII

My sympathies.
I complete annual refresher training on
computer security (company),
computer security, (DoD)
other security (DoD)
HAZMAT,
and how to fill out my timesheet.

We covered PII once. Fun fun fun.

How long before there's refresher training on refresher training?
 

Rhea

Cyborg with a Tiara
Staff member
% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?

Now imagine an alternate timeline where Pfizer didn’t deliberately halt development to throw the election, the vaccine came out when expected, and Trump wins. Those numbers would be flipped.

They absolutely would not be. Why would you think that.
You think their dear leader would have embraced it? Changed his public statements on vaccination? You think the republicans would have jumped on it? And the democrats would have behaved differently than normal?

And you think Pfizer deliberately delayed?

Seriously on this stuff? Wow…. Wow.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Since I did not hide the fact I was getting the vaccine from them and they are not in a medical relationship with me they are free to say what they saw to anyone.
thsst's what we are saying, yes.

Who is this "we"?

That's not what some people are saying.

They are saying me getting a shot in public in front of people who do not have a professional relationship with me is a personal matter.

By getting the vaccine in public I have made it public knowledge.

When Biden got his shot in front of camera's he made the matter public.

Anybody can talk about it.

No. Most people can talk about it. Anyone who worked there who saw you can't confirm or deny. Anyone with access to the records from the place can neither confirm nor deny. It doesn't matter if 100 news cameras followed you in there, they still can't confirm or deny without a signed release from you.
 

Trausti

Well-known member
% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?

Now imagine an alternate timeline where Pfizer didn’t deliberately halt development to throw the election, the vaccine came out when expected, and Trump wins. Those numbers would be flipped.

They absolutely would not be. Why would you think that.
You think their dear leader would have embraced it? Changed his public statements on vaccination? You think the republicans would have jumped on it? And the democrats would have behaved differently than normal?

And you think Pfizer deliberately delayed?

Seriously on this stuff? Wow…. Wow.

Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech is strongly effective, early data from large trial indicate

In their announcement of the results, Pfizer and BioNTech revealed a surprise. The companies said they had decided not to conduct the 32-case analysis “after a discussion with the FDA.” Instead, they planned to conduct the analysis after 62 cases. But by the time the plan had been formalized, there had been 94 cases of Covid-19 in the study. It’s not known how many were in the vaccine arm, but it would have to be nine or fewer.

Gruber said that Pfizer and BioNTech had decided in late October that they wanted to drop the 32-case interim analysis. At that time, the companies decided to stop having their lab confirm cases of Covid-19 in the study, instead leaving samples in storage. The FDA was aware of this decision. Discussions between the agency and the companies concluded, and testing began this past Wednesday. When the samples were tested, there were 94 cases of Covid in the trial. The DSMB met on Sunday.

This means that the statistical strength of the result is likely far stronger than was initially expected. It also means that if Pfizer had held to the original plan, the data would likely have been available in October, as its CEO, Albert Bourla, had initially predicted.

So the timeline was for the results by October. But they chose to stop the 32-case analysis testing in late October, leaving samples in storage, and then resumed the scheduled testing the Wednesday after the election. Yeah, that's a big fucking surprise.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
I hated security refreshers, as the Security Weenies generally annoyed me. Gee, why the fuck did I have to explain to one of these certified...idiot...Infosec types that it wouldn't be a good idea to just uninstall OpenSSL/OpenSSH even though we had to patch it several times a year. WTF...go back to telnet? Or maybe just take all the servers off the network? I also luved the 60 day changing 15+ char passwords, with at least one CAP, one Meta char, and one numeric. But oh, keyboard patterns are not a problem...security nitwits.

Those password rules should be nuked from orbit.

Two things count: The entropy of the password and how hard it will be to remember. (Hard to remember = written down.) It does not matter how that entropy is obtained, pure-alpha, pure-lowercase is fine if you just make it longer. Requiring a cap generally gets the first letter capped, or sometimes the first letter of each word. While in theory you added a bunch of entropy you didn't really add much at all.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Anybody not subject to HIPAA.

No--anyone with no access to that health information. A HIPAA-covered person can still talk about something they learned while not acting in their HIPAA-covered role. If my wife was in the same line and saw him get the shot she's free to say so.
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
The people who define HIPAA rules and PMI, with respect to HIPAA, say it's PMI. I do not understand the difficulty, here.
But, hey, you know, at some point you just gotta say, if it's that important to you that 2+2=5, you do you.

I don't understand your difficulty.

Public acknowledgement of something makes it not personal information.

2 + 2 = 4

Nope. Without a release they can still neither confirm nor deny. Every so often we see cases in the news where someone is proclaiming something happened and the medical facility (or occasionally the police) just says they're not allowed to say anything. I've seen it happen in cases where the public "acknowledgement" was obviously false.

(Personally, this is an aspect of the law I would like to see changed--making a public claim about something HIPAA-protected should allow the release of a minimum rebuttal.)
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
% of Dems who have received at least their first covid vaccine shot: 86%
% of Repubs: 45%
Pretty slick point shaving, huh?

Now imagine an alternate timeline where Pfizer didn’t deliberately halt development to throw the election, the vaccine came out when expected, and Trump wins. Those numbers would be flipped.

Halt development? What are you smoking??

Besides, the development was over long before the election. My memory is that the "development" of the Pfizer vaccine took two days--pasting a new code into the candidate SARS vaccine. Everything past that was simply testing.
 
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