Recent content by seanie

True, but a significant proportion of male humans pose a particular risk to female humans, so we segregate some spaces by sex, for reasons of privacy, dignity, and safety. Because it's not practical to vet males on a case by case basis as to whether they pose a threat. We keep all the males...

Well that's just silly. There are very good reasons to have spaces and services segregated by sex in some circumstances. Trans women are males who identify as women. Males should accept them in their spaces as fellow males, or there should be third spaces. Women are not support animals for men.

A person's sex is an objective material reality. Sex is binary and immutable (in humans). And in some circumstances, not all, a person's sex matters more than how they identify. Sports being a very obvious, though not most important, example. Sex is a salient category when it comes to some...

I mean this may be a niche concern, but it has ramifications. Are there circumstances where we can legitimately discriminate by sex?

It’s curious. Do you not give the tiniest shit about females having a fair sporting category?

So fairness in women’s sports is unimportant to you?

I think we can reasonably agree that a position that “any sports body can have any rules they want about who is allowed in their competition” is fundamentally immoral. So, leaving aside that idiocy, the question is where and when it might be legitimate to have categories that do discriminate...

I was just taking you at your word. It’s not my fault if what you said isn’t what you meant.

Did Well the first question, which you’ve avoided, is whether restricting female sports to biological females might be justified. If it is, then the question arises as to whether there might be other such circumstances.

But presumably you’d be OK with a sports body excluding blacks, Jews, gays etc. because you believe “ a sports body can have any rules they want about who is allowed in their competition”. Rules are rules eh? Let’s not worry about their justification or otherwise.

And the wider salience is obvious. If there are some circumstances, such as sports, where excluding males who identify as females from a female category is justified, might there be others?

Sex testing for the Olympics was stopped about 30 years ago. And do you really think any sports body can have any rules they want about who is allowed in their competitions? Supporter of apartheid era South African sports policies are you?

So... ...how are we all feeling about the IOC's decision to reintroduce sex testing to protect fairness in women's sport, by trying to exclude males?

Well yes. Going back people used sex instead of gender, before gender identity was a significant thing, because sex seemed impolite. Because it conjured up images of the act of sex. Can you give your definitions of sec and gender?

How so?