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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Cheerful Charlie said:
Russia has now lost 2 A-50 AWACs aircraft to Ukrainian anti-aircraft forces.
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No, there is evidence of a loss just one A-50. And even that is not certain. First, there is no evidence that provided evidence suggest A-50 (instead of Il-76). Secondly, some say it may not even be IL-76.
So it's still 50-50 on a loss of one A-50
Cheerful Charlie said:
Russia now has only 6 such operational aircraft left. To patrol all of Russia
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Well, today was reported that a brand new A-50 was put in service.
Cheerful Charlie said:
The Russian Black Sea Fleet is not Russia's
only big problem at the moment. Wheeeeee!
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Black Sea is not a problem. Nazi Regime has failed to destroy a single modern Black Sea ship capable of carrying cruise missiles.
Yes you heard it right, they failed to hit a single ship which was actually used to launch missiles into Ukraine
All they managed to do, was to hit old ships in docks which were not even operational.

Recently, nazi regime released evidence of destroyed Su-34. Problem is, there was no Su-34. It was just dry grass burning.
Ukro-nazi are desperate liars, they need to show some success in order to convince republicans to give them money.
 
zorq said:
Why should I care about some unknown textbook written in a language unknown to me with unknown distribution and used in possibly zero school classrooms? Because you THINK it says something wrong, and you THINK it looks legitimate but also you admit that the publishers say they had a misprint?
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Don't know. But you did post this, I guess you cared enough for that.
Why should you care? Because I am not unique. There are a lot of people in Russia who care and support "invasion" based on shit like this book. Yes, I literally think that this book alone justifies invading this piece of land.
zorq said:
Do you understand why this textbook derail is treated as just more of your BS spammed on the board and ignored? Or are you too oblivious to understand just how stupid this derail sounds?
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No, I don't understand that.
 
People speculate who (originally) leaked "tape" of German Wehrmacht officers discussing plan to conduct terrorism in Russia.
Some say it could be british or even some people in Germany itself. Chinese and Singapore are obvious sources too.
Shotlzi apparently did not know what his Wehrmacht was doing and that missiles were already in Ukraine.
Not necessarily to be used on the bridge I must say.


In other news, British Deep State is losing their shit over George Galloway win.
 
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barbos said:
People speculate who (originally) leaked "tape" of German Wehrmacht officers discussing plan to conduct terrorism in Russia.
Some say it could be british or even some people in Germany itself. Chinese and Singapore are obvious sources too.
Shotlzi apparently did not know what his Wehrmacht was doing and that missiles were already in Ukraine.
Not necessarily to be used on the bridge I must say.
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You're pretty vague about this discussion. Perhaps a link.

And frankly, if it took place after the Russian assholes invaded Ukraine, well then, suck it up. buttercup. You deserve every terrorist attack you get. Fuck your dumbass country all to hell.
 
barbos said:
Yes, I literally think that this book alone justifies invading this piece of land.
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Hang on, did you just say that an alleged ( but unverified) school textbook that you don’tlike is justification for INVADING A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY????
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Russia has now lost 2 A-50 AWACs aircraft to Ukrainian anti-aircraft forces.
Russia now has only 6 such operational aircraft left. To patrol all of Russia
including its borders with China. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is not Russia's
only big problem at the moment. Wheeeeee!
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Time to move on Kaliningrad!
 
barbos said:
zorq said:
Why should I care about some unknown textbook written in a language unknown to me with unknown distribution and used in possibly zero school classrooms? Because you THINK it says something wrong, and you THINK it looks legitimate but also you admit that the publishers say they had a misprint?
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Don't know. But you did post this, I guess you cared enough for that.
Why should you care? Because I am not unique. There are a lot of people in Russia who care and support "invasion" based on shit like this book. Yes, I literally think that this book alone justifies invading this piece of land.
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Sometimes it is best just to let a poster speak for themselves.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
Why should I care about some unknown textbook written in a language unknown to me with unknown distribution and used in possibly zero school classrooms? Because you THINK it says something wrong, and you THINK it looks legitimate but also you admit that the publishers say they had a misprint?
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Don't know. But you did post this, I guess you cared enough for that.
Why should you care? Because I am not unique. There are a lot of people in Russia who care and support "invasion" based on shit like this book. Yes, I literally think that this book alone justifies invading this piece of land.
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Sometimes it is best just to let a poster speak for themselves.
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Well, barbos is literally claiming to speak for "a lot of people in Russia", and he does seem to suffer from the delusion that he alone represents public opinion in Russia in this forum. The reality is that a lot of people in Russia--probably most of them--understand that the textbook story is nothing more than propaganda and are sane enough to realize that it is nothing remotely like a justification for the invasion of another country. For barbos it is, but that just tells us how deeply Putin's delusional revanchism has infected his mind.

The textbook, whether fictional or not, is symbolic of the deep humiliation that many Russians feel over the loss of empire. A lot of former imperial powers around the world have suffered the traumatic loss of power and privilege that came with ruling over a vast empire of subjugated people. The loss of Belarus and Ukraine is felt more deeply than even the loss of the Baltic states and other satellite nations in Eastern Europe. After all, Ukraine and Belarus have very large populations of Russian speakers and similar cultural roots to Russia, but they have rejected rule from Moscow. So those Russians who have felt humiliated by the loss of the Soviet empire are behaving like spurned lovers unable to accept rejection.
 
barbos said:
Black Sea is not a problem. Nazi Regime has failed to destroy a single modern Black Sea ship capable of carrying cruise missiles.
Yes you heard it right, they failed to hit a single ship which was actually used to launch missiles into Ukraine
All they managed to do, was to hit old ships in docks which were not even operational.
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It appears that is no longer true.

"The Black Sea Fleet has lost another ship. A corvette this time. It was capable of carrying 4 Kalibr missiles (one of the types of cruise missiles Russia has been using to attack civilian targets in Ukraine) so was obviously a prime target. The ship was near Feodosia (Crimea) at the time it was sunk. Russians are having a sad about it. Ukrainians are not."
It's based on Xitter reports.
Tom
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The Main Intelligence Directorate confirms the destruction of the Russian “Sergey Kotov” patrol ship.~
 
www.forbes.com

Russian Fighters Can Lob 250 Glide-Bombs In Two Days And Demolish Ukrainian Defenses. And Just One Weapon Can Stop Them.

Ukraine's Patriot missiles can shoot down Russia's glide-bombers. But the USA was the biggest supplier of Patriots to Ukraine. And U.S. Republicans have cut off aid.
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Hamstrung by poor training, crude weaponry and a culture of centralized control, the Russian air force struggled to support Russian ground troops in the first two years of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine.

But in recent weeks, in the sky over Avdiivka—a former Ukrainian stronghold just northwest of Russian-occupied Donetsk in eastern Ukraine—that changed.

Lobbing satellite-guided glide-bombs from 25 miles away, Russian pilots hammered Avdiivka in the weeks before a dozen Russian brigades and regiments finally—after four months of costly assaults—forced the Ukrainian 110th Mechanized Brigade to retreat west out of the ruins of the nearly lifeless city.

Now that the Russians finally figured out how to support their ground troops from the air, expect them to repeat the tactic in other sectors of the 600-mile front line. The Avdiivka glide-bombing campaign could “herald a change in Russian operations elsewhere along the front line,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. stated.
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On a Tuesday afternoon last month, Maksim Kuzminov drove up to his new condo overlooking a palm-lined Spanish beach, unaware that an assassin was waiting for him by the parking garage.

Local police stationed less than 500 feet away needed only minutes to respond, but witnesses said it was too late for the former Russian helicopter pilot. The killer had vanished, driving out over the 28-year-old victim’s bullet-ridden body. A medic who sliced through his shirt with bandage shears noted the accuracy of the five small-caliber shots, one directly piercing his heart.

Six months earlier, Kuzminov, a native of a town near Russia’s North Korean border, had defected to Ukraine, his Mi-8 attack helicopter taking small-arms fire as he flew barely 20 feet above the ground. After turning over the gunship, he collected a $500,000 reward and encouraged his countrymen to follow his example.

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Businessmen have been found hanged in London and drowned in Puerto Rico. A ruling-party boss fell from the roof of an Indian hotel and a 46-year-old deputy science minister died of an unexplained illness on a return flight from Cuba. Spanish police are still investigating the 2022 deaths of Sergey Protosenya, the former deputy chairman at gas producer Novatek JSC, and his wife and daughter in their home near Barcelona.

Last month, Russian independent media reported that the 35-year old son of Igor Sechin, Putin’s confidant and chief executive of oil giant Rosneft, died at his Moscow luxury apartment complex, known as “Putin’s Friend’s House.”

There are no obvious Kremlin fingerprints on these deaths. Not so for another cohort, murdered in spectacular operations planned like theater productions scripted for maximum public impact. Two months after launching an aborted mutiny, the rogue commander of the Wagner mercenary group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was blown up at 28,000 feet. His jet crashed into a patch of meadow about 40 miles from Putin’s lakeside residence.

Opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned with the easily detectable nerve agent Novichok in 2020, then died suddenly in an Arctic prison colony last month, just as a deal to free him was coming together.
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"Six months earlier, Kuzminov, a native of a town near Russia’s North Korean border, had defected to Ukraine, his Mi-8 attack helicopter taking small-arms fire as he flew barely 20 feet above the ground. After turning over the gunship, he collected a $500,000 reward and encouraged his countrymen to follow his example."

I have trouble developing any sympathy for this guy.
He sold out his country by stealing a high tech weapon and selling it for a ton of money.

Then he moved to Spain and started calling his old girl friends. He got offed.

Where's that "world's tiniest violin" when you need it?
Tom
 
Wow. That's the best they've got to stopping a naval drone is small arms fire?

 
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