barbos
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No reaction from the usual suspects, as expected.
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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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No reaction from the usual suspects, as expected.
barbos
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Speaking of who supports what in Russia:
quincyinst.org
2/3 of americans support negotiated end to the Ukrainian War
The usual suspects supporting war on Russia until the last ukrainians don't seem to represent majority of american public.
Even piece of shit Graham now says he does not want simply give money to Ukro-Regime, fuckers wants to loan it
What's the difference? They are no going to pay back, unless he was paid by Black Rock, then OK, makes sense, But how much land you will have left to buy?
New Poll: More than Two-Thirds of Americans Support Urgent U.S. Diplomacy to End Ukraine War
A new poll from Harris and the Quincy Institute finds that the majority of Americans support an urgent diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine.
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The usual suspects supporting war on Russia until the last ukrainians don't seem to represent majority of american public.
Even piece of shit Graham now says he does not want simply give money to Ukro-Regime, fuckers wants to loan it
What's the difference? They are no going to pay back, unless he was paid by Black Rock, then OK, makes sense, But how much land you will have left to buy?
Jimmy Higgins
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Actually most Americans support a negotiated end to the War. They don't actually support the war. They don't think Russia should get a sliver of what they stole.Speaking of who supports what in Russia:
2/3 of americans support negotiated end to the Ukrainian WarNew Poll: More than Two-Thirds of Americans Support Urgent U.S. Diplomacy to End Ukraine War
A new poll from Harris and the Quincy Institute finds that the majority of Americans support an urgent diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine.
You are taking stuff out of context, as usual.
I wouldn't put much faith in the backing of a wind sock puppet.Even piece of shit Graham now says he does not want simply give money to Ukro-Regime, fuckers wants to loan it
Why would the US need them to pay the US back? The money isn't going to Ukraine, it is going to the Military Industrial Complex in the US.
Elixir
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Really!Actually most Americans support a negotiated end to the War. They don't actually support the war. They don't think Russia should get a sliver of what they stole.Speaking of who supports what in Russia:
2/3 of americans support negotiated end to the Ukrainian WarNew Poll: More than Two-Thirds of Americans Support Urgent U.S. Diplomacy to End Ukraine War
A new poll from Harris and the Quincy Institute finds that the majority of Americans support an urgent diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine.
You are taking stuff out of context, as usual.
I wouldn't put much faith in the backing of a wind sock puppet.Even piece of shit Graham now says he does not want simply give money to Ukro-Regime, fuckers wants to loan it
Why would the US need them to pay the US back? The money isn't going to Ukraine, it is going to the Military Industrial Complex in the US.
The US has enough EXCESS weaponry to enable Ukraine to wipe Russian troops out of their Country, including Crimea. With enough left over to kick them out of Belarus, Moldova and Chechnya.
And that’s just with stuff that’s going to have to be disposed of one way or another, very soon. We can pay to dispose of it or donate it to a good cause at a net cost of less than zero.
The problem is trumpsuckers electing trumpsuckers who refuse to do the right thing because they’re trumpsuckers, and trump sucks Pootey dick.
Not rocket science.
T.G.G. Moogly
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Living in Russia has to be tough for a principled, intelligent, informed person. Navalny and his supporters within China's gas station are proof of that. I would agree that there's probably a 30 to 40 percent support for the invasion within Putinstan, but that's with state terror operating. Without that it's likely a lot less.
Elixir
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If Russia gets just a little bit weaker, China will be easily able to walk in and take what they want. And oh how ironic… Russia won’t even have oil money to fight back with.
barbos
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Who would, but Biden is not really different from his good friend Lindsey.
Ask wind sock puppet.
No, I don't. The usual suspects here think that Ukraine is winning, all they need more weapons.
barbos
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Navalny was FOR russian "aggression", in case you did not know.
Square that circle, you principled, intelligent, informed person.
DrZoidberg
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Putin is correct in that Europeans have gone soft and complacent. We can be pushed around. I think Putin will just keep going until Europe grows some balls and flights back. I think it's do or die. Putin won’t stop until he's forced to.The above would-be great news. Ukraine and all the countries that border Russia need substantially more defensive weapons. Putler isn't going to stop until the defenses against Russia are strong enough to encourage Russia to seek alternative hobbies.Oh, look 28/2 Transinistria officially asked Russia for help in their fight against their Moldovan "oppressors". It's an exact copy of the method by which Putin is trying to snag Ukraine. It's so important that we stop Putin now. Or we're looking ahead to a decade of instability and war.
Transnistria tensions: Will Russia try to annex Moldova’s breakaway region?
Pro-Russian rebels hint at a referendum, a move Moldova has dismissed as meaningless propaganda.www.aljazeera.com
But I do like that now when USA isn't giving Ukraine as much weapons anymore, finally, EU countries are now stepping up and being serious about sending stuff. France is even sending troops. Not combat troops on the front. But it is a step in the right direction. I welcome NATO boots on the ground. Fuck Putin so much
I completely understand Trump's annoyance with European cheapness and laziness. Just assuming USA will come and help us, while we sacrifice our defence capabilities by funding overly generous and expensive wellfare schemes, (that we anyway can't afford). It should annoy the Americans.
DrZoidberg
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Last time I checked Russia has troops inside Ukrains borders.
DrZoidberg
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No he wasn’t. Your statement is ludicrous. Yes, he was a nationalist and believed the army should be used to protect Russian interests.
But he also thought that the war in Ukraine wasn’t about protecting Russian interests. He was against it precisely because he was a nationalist
barbos
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Zelenskaya disagrees with you.
DrZoidberg
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What makes her an expert of Navalny? They are or were both leading nationalist figures in sovereign states in conflict. They're bound not to think that highly of eachother, and be very suspicious of the others motives.
Just because Navalny was the leading Russian opposition to Putin, doesn't mean he was all soft and fluffy. He was still a Russian nationalist.
The fact that he's Russian is a reason to be suspicious. Russian recent history is full of pro-democratic politicians who drop their pretences of pro-democracy the moment they get real power. Zelenskaya knows this. And so does everyone else.
barbos
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What makes you an expert of Navalny?
DrZoidberg
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You're the one with the outlandish nonsensicle statements about Navalny. This is a "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" situation.
The problem with the conversations in this thread that you are involved is that you're just parroting the official Putin propaganda line. But those are obvious lies. Bizarre planted assertions to justify a Russian invasion. Its statements right out of Goebels playbook.
Just the fact that you keep repeating the fake news plant regarding Ukrainian Nazis makes any of your statements hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that you believe what you are saying
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Harry Bosch
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Russia has released their "compromise position peace plan" for Ukraine:
The plan requires the following: 1) complete and unconditional surrender; 2) demilitarization; 3) dismiss all constitutional authorities; 4) "forced denazification programs encompassing all authorities; 5) Ukraine must pay compensation to Russia, including reimbursing relatives of Russian soldiers 6) officially recognize that the entire territory of Ukraine belongs to the Russian Federation".
I'd like to know if anyone honestly thinks that this is reasonable or that a sane person would give in to this?
The plan requires the following: 1) complete and unconditional surrender; 2) demilitarization; 3) dismiss all constitutional authorities; 4) "forced denazification programs encompassing all authorities; 5) Ukraine must pay compensation to Russia, including reimbursing relatives of Russian soldiers 6) officially recognize that the entire territory of Ukraine belongs to the Russian Federation".
I'd like to know if anyone honestly thinks that this is reasonable or that a sane person would give in to this?
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This must a lost in translation thing. Does the Russian word for compromise mean "unconditional surrender"?
lpetrich
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What concessions by Russia does Dmitry Medvedev's plan involve? I don't notice any.
What would he consider an uncompromising pro-Russian position? Because that's what his proposed plan looks like to me.
What would he consider an uncompromising pro-Russian position? Because that's what his proposed plan looks like to me.