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Of course there are reasons. This not proposed on a whim.
Whim or not, there is no legitimate reason for it.
Subsidies to households with more people who cannot enter the workforce should be larger
than those with fewer members.
You are ignoring that there are already very generous subsidies for having children. Why pile on even more?
And what next? Let's say the $300/month/kid was made permanent in 2021. The Squad would probably be demanding another $300/month/kid expansion. Where is the logical end to the demands for more and more subsidies?
 
To be honest, I think it’s better to let other nations expend their resources while holding on to what we can.
Why exactly? Domestic production of oil and gas creates jobs and government revenues. Having to import e.g. 5-6 Mbbl/day more oil per day due to onerous regulations would siphon billions from US consumers and companies to entities abroad - many of them unsavory.
Expansion of US natural gas production also allowed us to export LNG to Europe reducing their reliance on natural gas from Russia.
What do you think would be the result of US having half the oil production and half the gas production we have today? Do you think Russia would be more powerful or less? What about Iran?

Oil exporting nations desperately need to modernize their societies and that will take great wealth.
Great wealth is not a guarantee that it will not be spent foolishly.
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And there is such a thing as a resource curse that many countries overreliant on extractable resources fall prey to.

Most of all, it is better for the planet for the world to be at peace. That is best achieved as there is more equality between nations.
US reducing our oil and gas production would not lead to peace, as result would be a more powerful Russia and a more powerful Iran. No thanks.
As to environment, I am all for reducing our reliance on fossil fuels over time. But we need to eliminate coal first, and we will need oil and gas for a few more decades, no matter what. Also, how is the environment helped if we drill less and other countries drill more? Especially since most countries have subpar environmental regulations. Compare US fracking with something like Lake Maracaibo in Venezuela!
 
So being hungry for AIPAC money is "caring about one's district"?
Being funded by AIPAC is not inconsistent with caring about one's district.

Are you ok that the CAIR (unindicted coconspirator in a Hamas funding case) director, who praised the 10/7 massacre, is fundraising for Fire Marshal Jamaal?

If it does good journalism, then why not?
It doesn't do good journalism. It's a rag, and a blatantly anti-Israel one. Look on their homepage. It's mostly anti-Israel and anti-AIPAC screeds.

As if they have upper-middle-class standards of living.
Do you really think people should have a "upper-middle-class standard of living" paid by taxpayers just because they have children?
What they get is barely enough to survive.
BS. I wonder what kind of brands these "barely enough to survive" wear, what number behind their iPhone is, what kind of car they drive and how often they visit Starbucks and eat out. Easy to struggle even on decent income/subsidies when you spend like a drunken sailor.
Whatever might qualify as "too friendly" to "Big Labor", whatever that is.
Most visibly, Biden visited the striking UAW members when they were extorting the Detroit auto makers last year.

As if right-wing unions would be OK.
They wouldn't. So why are left-wing ones ok? Unions should not insert themselves into political issues unrelated to their raison d'être.

That's too heavily armed. I'd much prefer nonlethal and low-lethality weapons. Weapons with much less danger of fatal accidents.
Completely unrealistic, especially in the US where much of the population is armed. Even countries where private weapons possession is more tightly regulated mostly have armed cops. Countries where regular police are rare and many of them are tiny islands like Vanuatu and Nauru.
So is that what the Left sees as "militarized police"? Police officers carrying handguns?

Those are defensive, and I like defensive gear.
But I think it's gear like that that the Left views as "militarized" for whatever reason. They usually bitch about "militarized police" when riot police breaks up one of their riots.
One would only need such heavy weapons against some heavily-armed criminal gang, like a drug-smuggler gang.
S in SWAT stands for special. These units are not for routine use. That said, they are not only used against heavily armed gangs. Heavily armed individuals holed up in a dwelling are dangerous enough that SWAT would be called in.
 
To be honest, I think it’s better to let other nations expend their resources while holding on to what we can.
Why exactly? Domestic production of oil and gas creates jobs and government revenues. Having to import e.g. 5-6 Mbbl/day more oil per day due to onerous regulations would siphon billions from US consumers and companies to entities abroad - many of them unsavory.
Expansion of US natural gas production also allowed us to export LNG to Europe reducing their reliance on natural gas from Russia.
What do you think would be the result of US having half the oil production and half the gas production we have today? Do you think Russia would be more powerful or less? What about Iran?

Oil exporting nations desperately need to modernize their societies and that will take great wealth.
Great wealth is not a guarantee that it will not be spent foolishly.
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And there is such a thing as a resource curse that many countries overreliant on extractable resources fall prey to.

Most of all, it is better for the planet for the world to be at peace. That is best achieved as there is more equality between nations.
US reducing our oil and gas production would not lead to peace, as result would be a more powerful Russia and a more powerful Iran. No thanks.
As to environment, I am all for reducing our reliance on fossil fuels over time. But we need to eliminate coal first, and we will need oil and gas for a few more decades, no matter what. Also, how is the environment helped if we drill less and other countries drill more? Especially since most countries have subpar environmental regulations. Compare US fracking with something like Lake Maracaibo in Venezuela!
Other countries need to modernized se and that requires massive income. Why does that matter to us? Because happy countries do not normally attack their neighbors. It’s good for peace and good for the world and good for us.

The other thing is that by maintaining reserves. We have a better back up plan if more modern energy sources fail or just glitch. It’s like a nest egg. New energy technology also provides well paying jobs.
 
Only to a right-winger. It would provide some balance to the Senate. It would also help undo the effect of splitting the Dakota Territory into North and South Dakota -- gerrymandering in the creation of these states.
Balance? It would be yet another very small "state" - <700k people, <70 sq. mi. area.
As far as gerrymandering, one could say DC was gerrymandered out of Maryland - and originally also Virginia. Better solution than statehood would be return of areas not in the core federal district to Maryland, just like Virginian areas were returned.
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More seriously, I think that the less-populous states have become  Rotten and pocket boroughs
Even Wyoming has the population far greater than three rather mangy cows, a dachshund named Colin, and a small hen in its late 40s like Dunny-on-the-Wold. :D
Sure DC might seem like a rotten borough, but it would be no more rotten than some state like Wyoming.
At least Wyoming or Alaska have large areas where it makes sense that they are their own state despite sparse population. DC is just a city, and that land was originally Maryland's.
 
AIPAC Is Secretly Intervening in Portland’s Congressional Race - May 3 2024, 5:11 p.m. - "The pro-Israel group is funneling money through a “pro-science” PAC, according to two members of Congress."
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Funny how The Intercept (again‽) gets apoplectic when AIPAC gives money for political races, but has no problem with CAIR funding candidates like Fire Marshal Jamal.

That PAC: 314 Action - from pi = 3.14
Well that's not quite right. Also, I wonder why they picked π since Israel is famously a hypercube (due to Jewish physics).

And what The Intercept can reveal is that Susheela Jayapal is being targeted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, which is secretly funneling money into the race by washing it through 314 Action, according to two Democratic members of Congress familiar with the arrangement.
Well, what is her position on the Hamas' war against Israel?

Also, any truth to the animal abuse allegations? We can't condemn Noem and ignore it when it's a Dem.
 
Other countries need to modernized se and that requires massive income. Why does that matter to us? Because happy countries do not normally attack their neighbors. It’s good for peace and good for the world and good for us.
Would a Russia with more oil and gas wealth, and ability to turn off a greater percentage of oil and gas supplies to those who oppose its policies be more peaceful or less so?
Would an Iran with more oil and gas wealth, and ability to turn off a greater percentage of oil and gas supplies to those who oppose its policies be more peaceful or less so?

I think the answer to both questions is unequivocally "less so". Ability to meet our own oil and gas needs, and export gas to our allies, is a strategic asset which should not be abandoned to appease radical ecomentalists.

The other thing is that by maintaining reserves. We have a better back up plan if more modern energy sources fail or just glitch. It’s like a nest egg.
Fossil fuels are on its way out, even if it will take decades to completely wean ourselves from them.
Once the economy transitions, and legacy plants are decommissioned, it will not be able to use these fuels, at least not on any meaningful scale. The fossil fuels still in the ground will have become stranded assets, and will not be very useful as a strategic reserve.
So while in general I agree with keeping reserves, at this stage of fossil fuel technology it makes little sense keeping large reserves undeveloped because you might need them in 2050.

New energy technology also provides well paying jobs.
True, I am in favor of developing new technologies. But we also need present technologies for the present day.
 
Other countries need to modernized se and that requires massive income. Why does that matter to us? Because happy countries do not normally attack their neighbors. It’s good for peace and good for the world and good for us.
Would a Russia with more oil and gas wealth, and ability to turn off a greater percentage of oil and gas supplies to those who oppose its policies be more peaceful or less so?
Would an Iran with more oil and gas wealth, and ability to turn off a greater percentage of oil and gas supplies to those who oppose its policies be more peaceful or less so?

I think the answer to both questions is unequivocally "less so". Ability to meet our own oil and gas needs, and export gas to our allies, is a strategic asset which should not be abandoned to appease radical ecomentalists.

The other thing is that by maintaining reserves. We have a better back up plan if more modern energy sources fail or just glitch. It’s like a nest egg.
Fossil fuels are on its way out, even if it will take decades to completely wean ourselves from them.
Once the economy transitions, and legacy plants are decommissioned, it will not be able to use these fuels, at least not on any meaningful scale. The fossil fuels still in the ground will have become stranded assets, and will not be very useful as a strategic reserve.
So while in general I agree with keeping reserves, at this stage of fossil fuel technology it makes little sense keeping large reserves undeveloped because you might need them in 2050.

New energy technology also provides well paying jobs.
True, I am in favor of developing new technologies. But we also need present technologies for the present day.
What if Iran and Russia exhaust their reserves? Or come close? What if while Iran and Russia sell their oil, the rest of the world moves away from fossil fuels?

The fact is that most of the easily accessible oil in the US has been pumped and sold. Fracking, of which you are so fond, causes trenendous environmental damage. Environmental damage is the reason we need to move away from fossil fuels.

The US does have reserves and it is using its oil supply and also exporting oil—the US is currently a net exporter of oil. This seems to me to be a wise policy from a standpoint of energy needs and also economic needs and geopolitical needs.

The rest of the world IS moving away from fossil fuels. The sooner, the better.
 
100% against. Those with children already get very generous subsidies from the government - there is the existing child tax credit, and programs like EITC, Medicaid, SNAP, housing etc. are far more generous to those with kids (higher payments and much higher eligibility thresholds) than to those who are child-free. There is really no reason to keep ratcheting up subsidies.
What standard did you use to determine there was no reason?
 
Of course there are reasons. This not proposed on a whim.
Whim or not, there is no legitimate reason for it.
Subsidies to households with more people who cannot enter the workforce should be larger
than those with fewer members.
You are ignoring that there are already very generous subsidies for having children. Why pile on even more?
And what next? Let's say the $300/month/kid was made permanent in 2021. The Squad would probably be demanding another $300/month/kid expansion. Where is the logical end to the demands for more and more subsidies?
What exactly is wrong with helping low income people better approach middle class status?
 
Of course there are reasons. This not proposed on a whim.
Whim or not, there is no legitimate reason for it.
Subsidies to households with more people who cannot enter the workforce should be larger
than those with fewer members.
You are ignoring that there are already very generous subsidies for having children. Why pile on even more?
And what next? Let's say the $300/month/kid was made permanent in 2021. The Squad would probably be demanding another $300/month/kid expansion. Where is the logical end to the demands for more and more subsidies?
Given that an estimated 16% of children in the US live in poverty, your view of “ generous” appears rather miserly.
 
100% against. Those with children already get very generous subsidies from the government - there is the existing child tax credit, and programs like EITC, Medicaid, SNAP, housing etc. are far more generous to those with kids (higher payments and much higher eligibility thresholds) than to those who are child-free. There is really no reason to keep ratcheting up subsidies.
What standard did you use to determine there was no reason?
I explained it. There already is a plethora of subsidies for breeding.
What exactly is wrong with helping low income people better approach middle class status?
Why should only the low income people with children be helped to approach middle class status? Why are we childfree always treated as red haired stepchildren by the tax system?
Also, people up to $200k ($400k) in income were eligible. Up to $75k ($250k) were eligible for the full amount.
That means middle class parents were eligible for the full subsidy, and even some upper middle class people were eligible for partial subsidy.
And a lot of that subsidy was funded by childfree people making far less than them. Either directly through taxes or indirectly through higher inflation and/or interest rates.
Given that an estimated 16% of children in the US live in poverty, your view of “ generous” appears rather miserly.
Existing child tax credit, earned income tax credit, SNAP, rental assistance, Medicaid, when you add them all up, it is far from "miserly".
And if you are concerned about children living in poverty, then propose a program that targets them specifically, rather than a program that subsidizes parents making $400k. For fuck's sake!
 
What if Iran and Russia exhaust their reserves? Or come close?
So much better for us, as they would lose much of their geopolitical power when they do. John McCain described Russia as "a gas station masquerading as a country". Iran is not much better.
Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen anytime soon. Iran has more than 100 years of both oil and gas at current production.
What if while Iran and Russia sell their oil, the rest of the world moves away from fossil fuels?
That would be the best case scenario. Keep their production as low as possible since we produce a lot and make as much of their reserves stranded assets.
The fact is that most of the easily accessible oil in the US has been pumped and sold.
Easily accessible oil has been pumped and sold everywhere, not just in the US. All oil producers use advanced techniques to maintain production levels.
Fracking, of which you are so fond, causes trenendous environmental damage.
Yes, I am very fond of it. And I am very opposed to those who want to ban it for spurious reasons.
The environmental damage due to fracking is overstated. We have discussed all that in detail before.
Environmental damage is the reason we need to move away from fossil fuels.
I agree we need to move away from fossil fuels. And we need to start with coal, the by far the most polluting fossil fuel. It is not just the most carbon intensive fossil fuel, but it also emits huge quantities of other pollutants like sulfur dioxide, mercury, particulates, and even uranium.
Oil and natural gas will also take decades to phase out. Vast majority of cars still use gasoline. Trucking still uses diesel. They can be electrified, but it will take time. Planes use jet fuel. They can't be easily electrified, but they can use synfuels like butanol - but making that also requires a lot of energy.
Combined cycle gas power plants are very efficient and clean. No reason to decommission them prematurely just because of politics.
It's not that easy to completely reform the energy system of the modern society.
The US does have reserves and it is using its oil supply and also exporting oil—the US is currently a net exporter of oil. This seems to me to be a wise policy from a standpoint of energy needs and also economic needs and geopolitical needs.
I agree. :)
The rest of the world IS moving away from fossil fuels. The sooner, the better.
US is also moving away from fossil fuels. It's not like we are doing nothing while other countries are busy transitioning.
In fact, if you want to single out countries for shaming, it should be China and India, not the US.

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And the shale revolution played a role in this, as fracked gas was able to displace coal.
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100% against. Those with children already get very generous subsidies from the government - there is the existing child tax credit, and programs like EITC, Medicaid, SNAP, housing etc. are far more generous to those with kids (higher payments and much higher eligibility thresholds) than to those who are child-free. There is really no reason to keep ratcheting up subsidies.
What standard did you use to determine there was no reason?
I explained it. There already is a plethora of subsidies for breeding.
What exactly is wrong with helping low income people better approach middle class status?
Why should only the low income people with children be helped to approach middle class status?
Children are not able to take care of themselves. And for some obscure reason, our society seems to think that children represent the present and the future, so we should try to help them.

Why are we childfree always treated as red haired stepchildren by the tax system?
First, childfree people are eligible for subsidies. It is true that we tend to think that adults can better take of themselves. There is a portion of the our population (" fiscal conservatives ")does seem to agree with you, that we should reduce income support programs in order to stop subsidizing those adults.

But now I see the real issue - you feel you need to be subsidized.
Given that an estimated 16% of children in the US live in poverty, your view of “ generous” appears rather miserly.
Existing child tax credit, earned income tax credit, SNAP, rental assistance, Medicaid, when you add them all up, it is far from "miserly".
And if you are concerned about children living in poverty, then propose a program that targets them specifically, rather than a program that subsidizes parents making $400k. For fuck's sake!
Households earning over $400,000 per year are not eligible for EITC, Medicaid or SNAP. All of those are income-means tested.
 
What if Iran and Russia exhaust their reserves? Or come close?
So much better for us, as they would lose much of their geopolitical power when they do. John McCain described Russia as "a gas station masquerading as a country". Iran is not much better.
Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen anytime soon. Iran has more than 100 years of both oil and gas at current production.
What if while Iran and Russia sell their oil, the rest of the world moves away from fossil fuels?
That would be the best case scenario. Keep their production as low as possible since we produce a lot and make as much of their reserves stranded assets.
The fact is that most of the easily accessible oil in the US has been pumped and sold.
Easily accessible oil has been pumped and sold everywhere, not just in the US. All oil producers use advanced techniques to maintain production levels.
Fracking, of which you are so fond, causes trenendous environmental damage.
Yes, I am very fond of it. And I am very opposed to those who want to ban it for spurious reasons.
The environmental damage due to fracking is overstated. We have discussed all that in detail before.
Environmental damage is the reason we need to move away from fossil fuels.
I agree we need to move away from fossil fuels. And we need to start with coal, the by far the most polluting fossil fuel. It is not just the most carbon intensive fossil fuel, but it also emits huge quantities of other pollutants like sulfur dioxide, mercury, particulates, and even uranium.
Oil and natural gas will also take decades to phase out. Vast majority of cars still use gasoline. Trucking still uses diesel. They can be electrified, but it will take time. Planes use jet fuel. They can't be easily electrified, but they can use synfuels like butanol - but making that also requires a lot of energy.
Combined cycle gas power plants are very efficient and clean. No reason to decommission them prematurely just because of politics.
It's not that easy to completely reform the energy system of the modern society.
The US does have reserves and it is using its oil supply and also exporting oil—the US is currently a net exporter of oil. This seems to me to be a wise policy from a standpoint of energy needs and also economic needs and geopolitical needs.
I agree. :)
The rest of the world IS moving away from fossil fuels. The sooner, the better.
US is also moving away from fossil fuels. It's not like we are doing nothing while other countries are busy transitioning.
In fact, if you want to single out countries for shaming, it should be China and India, not the US.

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And the shale revolution played a role in this, as fracked gas was able to displace coal.
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I’m glad you agree that it is better if other countries exhaust their fossil fuel reserves.

We will never agree on fracking—I am guessing you have ties to that industry. I see environmental damage due to fracking in a regular basis. I’m guessing you’ve never been anywhere to see the before/after effects of mining sand for fracking or fracking itself. I have.
 
100% against. Those with children already get very generous subsidies from the government - there is the existing child tax credit, and programs like EITC, Medicaid, SNAP, housing etc. are far more generous to those with kids (higher payments and much higher eligibility thresholds) than to those who are child-free. There is really no reason to keep ratcheting up subsidies.
What standard did you use to determine there was no reason?
I explained it. There already is a plethora of subsidies for breeding.
And I asked you what method you used to determine the "plethora" is too much?

What exactly is wrong with helping low income people better approach middle class status?
Why should only the low income people with children be helped to approach middle class status? Why are we childfree always treated as red haired stepchildren by the tax system?
Also, people up to $200k ($400k) in income were eligible. Up to $75k ($250k) were eligible for the full amount.
That means middle class parents were eligible for the full subsidy, and even some upper middle class people were eligible for partial subsidy.
And a lot of that subsidy was funded by childfree people making far less than them. Either directly through taxes or indirectly through higher inflation and/or interest rates.
I absolutely agree more should be done for single people. But jealousy is not a reason to not attempt to get children out of poverty.

Given that an estimated 16% of children in the US live in poverty, your view of “ generous” appears rather miserly.
Existing child tax credit, earned income tax credit, SNAP, rental assistance, Medicaid, when you add them all up, it is far from "miserly".
And if you are concerned about children living in poverty, then propose a program that targets them specifically, rather than a program that subsidizes parents making $400k. For fuck's sake!
For fuck's sake, show us any family making $400k receiving the above benefits.
 
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Opinion | How the Squad and Like-Minded Progressives Have Changed Their Party - The New York Times - April 23, 2024
When the far-left politicians Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley were first elected to Congress roughly half a decade ago, many moderate Democrats saw their unapologetically progressive vision for America as an albatross around the neck of the Democratic Party.

That certainly seemed to be the view of Democratic leaders, who seemed intent on making the Squad, as the progressive caucus is known, a group of permanent outsiders.
What they advocate is a form of  Sewer socialism
Sewer socialism was an originally pejorative term for the American socialist movement that centered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from around 1892 to 1960.[1] The term was coined by Morris Hillquit at the 1932 Milwaukee convention of the Socialist Party of America as a commentary on the Milwaukee socialists and their perpetual boasting about the excellent public sewer system in the city.[2]

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With the creation of the Socialist Party of America, this group formed the core of an element that favored reformism rather than revolution, de-emphasizing social theory and revolutionary rhetoric in favor of honest government and efforts to improve public health. The sewer socialists fought to clean up what they saw as "the dirty and polluted legacy of the Industrial Revolution",[3] cleaning up neighborhoods and factories with new sanitation systems, city-owned water and power systems and improved education. This approach is sometimes called "constructive socialism".[4]
Back in 2019, NP dismissed them as irrelevant. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world. But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people, and that’s how many votes they got."

There is a recent book about The Squad where NP would brag about how she has activist signs from before AOC was born, and AOC would ask how much she has done recently with them.
And in recent months, the insurgent group of unapologetic leftists has gained even more sway within the Democratic Party. Some of this is clearly a reaction to the extremism of Trumpism and far-right House Republicans. But the progressives have gained power in Washington amid rising anger over the U.S. role in Gaza.
Another reason may be the failure of Clintonism to accomplish its stated goals. Make lots of progressive promises, then wring one's hands about how helpless one is and propose weak half-measures. Also act like one has battered-partner syndrome with the Republican Party, perpetually trying to appease it despite getting lots of nastiness and hostility in response.

Consider abortion, like Bill Clinton saying that he wants abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare", and not getting any support from anti-abortionists.
 
Opinion | How the Squad and Like-Minded Progressives Have Changed Their Party - The New York Times - April 23, 2024
When the far-left politicians Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley were first elected to Congress roughly half a decade ago, many moderate Democrats saw their unapologetically progressive vision for America as an albatross around the neck of the Democratic Party.

That certainly seemed to be the view of Democratic leaders, who seemed intent on making the Squad, as the progressive caucus is known, a group of permanent outsiders.
What they advocate is a form of  Sewer socialism
Sewer socialism was an originally pejorative term for the American socialist movement that centered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from around 1892 to 1960.[1] The term was coined by Morris Hillquit at the 1932 Milwaukee convention of the Socialist Party of America as a commentary on the Milwaukee socialists and their perpetual boasting about the excellent public sewer system in the city.[2]

....
With the creation of the Socialist Party of America, this group formed the core of an element that favored reformism rather than revolution, de-emphasizing social theory and revolutionary rhetoric in favor of honest government and efforts to improve public health. The sewer socialists fought to clean up what they saw as "the dirty and polluted legacy of the Industrial Revolution",[3] cleaning up neighborhoods and factories with new sanitation systems, city-owned water and power systems and improved education. This approach is sometimes called "constructive socialism".[4]
Back in 2019, NP dismissed them as irrelevant. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world. But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people, and that’s how many votes they got."

There is a recent book about The Squad where NP would brag about how she has activist signs from before AOC was born, and AOC would ask how much she has done recently with them.
And in recent months, the insurgent group of unapologetic leftists has gained even more sway within the Democratic Party. Some of this is clearly a reaction to the extremism of Trumpism and far-right House Republicans. But the progressives have gained power in Washington amid rising anger over the U.S. role in Gaza.
Another reason may be the failure of Clintonism to accomplish its stated goals. Make lots of progressive promises, then wring one's hands about how helpless one is and propose weak half-measures. Also act like one has battered-partner syndrome with the Republican Party, perpetually trying to appease it despite getting lots of nastiness and hostility in response.

Consider abortion, like Bill Clinton saying that he wants abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare", and not getting any support from anti-abortionists.
? What were the “weak half measures”?
 
Consider Clintoncare. It was a big fat mess that the Clinton Admin took a year to work on, but when it was released, the Clintonites whimpered and came close to apologizing for having introduced it. They let the insurance lobby run its "Harry and Louise" ads without running any "Gary and Denise" ads to counter them. Right-wingers called "Hillarycare" some monstrous scheme to take over much of the economy, but it wasn't some national super HMO like Britain's National Health Service.

Barack Obama tried again, and he succeeded with Obamacare. That didn't do much to stop healthcare from being grotesquely expensive.
 
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