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What comes next after the Trump win?

RVonse said:
Axulus said:
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Jimmy Higgins said:
House appears to be heading to be remaining in GOP control. CA has a considerable number of ballots to go through, but other places, the GOP is flipping seats. They knew where to hit the Democrats. How can one of the dumbest fuckers to ever be President, have such an incredibly adept machine behind him. Or are they just getting lucky with male angst? Hitting too many bulleyes to consider it luck. Which then makes me wonder, how did the Dems pull off 2022?

With the tri-fecta and fewer adults left in the GOP, they are a filibuster eraser away from passing whatever the fuck they want.
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We still do not know if the Republican's have the house yet but if it ends up red, they have won about as hard as you can win. So there should be no excuses whatsoever for the border now if it under their complete control.
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Like in 2017? What was the excuse then?
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1. Cheney and Mc Cain were Rino's who hated Trump but are now gone. He does still have Romney to contend with though.
2. Trump has gained political experience since then.
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BSOD
RVonse said:
After all the lawfare and impeachments, he should be well aware of what the deep state is capable of.
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WTF?! He tried to get a quid quo pro from Ukrainian President for military funding. Do you not remember anything between '17 and '20?
RVonse said:
He may hopefully have superior experience and skills not to hire back stabbers in his own organization who have to be fired.
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OMFG! You mean the people that dared to call a spade a spade?
RVonse said:
He might have more experience to hire people who actually implement his vision this time around.
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His vision?! What vision?
RVonse said:
3. In 2017 Hillary was claiming the election was stolen and Trump did not have the popular vote.
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No.
RVonse said:
This time around he does have the popular vote so he can be confident with the electoral mandate.
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He didn't give a fuck about mandates in 2017.
RVonse said:
4. This will be Trumps final term so he will have incentive to help drive his objectives and further his final legacy rather than short term political gain of partisanship.
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Maybe, also he doesn't have to care about WHIPing the economy into a deep recessi9n in 5 years.
 
RVonse said:
2. Trump has gained political experience since then. After all the lawfare and impeachments, he should be well aware of what the deep state is capable of. He may hopefully have superior experience and skills not to hire back stabbers in his own organization who have to be fired. He might have more experience to hire people who actually implement his vision this time around.
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To the extent the deep state exists it's a Republican thing.

RVonse said:
4. This will be Trumps final term so he will have incentive to help drive his objectives and further his final legacy rather than short term political gain of partisanship.
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He will want to stay in office.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
RVonse said:
Axulus said:
RVonse said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
House appears to be heading to be remaining in GOP control. CA has a considerable number of ballots to go through, but other places, the GOP is flipping seats. They knew where to hit the Democrats. How can one of the dumbest fuckers to ever be President, have such an incredibly adept machine behind him. Or are they just getting lucky with male angst? Hitting too many bulleyes to consider it luck. Which then makes me wonder, how did the Dems pull off 2022?

With the tri-fecta and fewer adults left in the GOP, they are a filibuster eraser away from passing whatever the fuck they want.
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We still do not know if the Republican's have the house yet but if it ends up red, they have won about as hard as you can win. So there should be no excuses whatsoever for the border now if it under their complete control.
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Like in 2017? What was the excuse then?
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1. Cheney and Mc Cain were Rino's who hated Trump but are now gone. He does still have Romney to contend with though.
2. Trump has gained political experience since then.
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BSOD
RVonse said:
After all the lawfare and impeachments, he should be well aware of what the deep state is capable of.
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WTF?! He tried to get a quid quo pro from Ukrainian President for military funding. Do you not remember anything between '17 and '20?
RVonse said:
He may hopefully have superior experience and skills not to hire back stabbers in his own organization who have to be fired.
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OMFG! You mean the people that dared to call a spade a spade?
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I saw a quote from Don Jr. (who for some reason is vetting cabinet positions) that said he was going to rule out "anyone who thinks they know better than my dad."

Obligatory "let that sink in." They don't want anyone seated at the table who is smarter than a guy who thinks windmills cause cancer, nukes will fix hurricanes, and that electric planes can't fly when the sun is down.

Idiocracy was supposed to be set 500 years in the future, but it turns out it's gonna be more like 5. But even then, President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho knew to hand things over to someone smarter than himself.
 
Even if the Right wins all their battles, in a few years the climate change that they deny will bite them. It already is doing so.
 
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!
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And if memory serves, their prediction was correct, so it is a pretty bad example of hysteria and over-reacting.

Even more so because not only do you cite a fictional movie, but the quotes are taken when experts in the field are overruled by bureaucrats, and then the choices the bureaucrats decide to enact make things much worse. Isn't that a Libertarian thing?
 
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Jimmy Higgins said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!
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And if memory serves, their prediction was correct, so it is a pretty bad example of hysteria and over-reacting.
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Over the past year or so I've been listening to the "Fall of Civilizations" podcast. One of the questions the host asks in the introduction is "what was it like to live in that time?" Sumerians, Egyptians, Incas, Aztecs, and a dozen other glorious empires that all failed and faded into obscurity. Carthage. Petra. Even Rome.

All gone. Are we at the end of the American experiment? Maybe not quite yet, but we're certainly at an inflection point where we're teetering on the brink of elevating Caesars to rule over us.
 
I watched a documentary on the fall of the Roman Empire last night, and apart from plagues one of the things it mentioned causing the fall was climate change (although not human caused this time). It got wetter and colder and this made the Asian nomadic peoples (Huns) move west. The Goths turned to Rome for help but were rejected, and so the barbarian peoples conquered Western Roman Empire.
 
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“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!”
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Well, first, thanks for reminding the Republicans about Recess Appointments being in the Senate... especially when you were speaking to the Senate in the first place.

Secondly, his appointments are going to be too controversial for him to actually get GOP approval on that he needs recess appointments? Granted, the number of moderates in the Senate is tiny, but a two seat majority (or 3 including a tiebreaker for Vance) in the Senate isn't that big. This is a warning sign. Trump is effectively saying he wants to appoint his Cabinet and Exec Branch without oversight.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
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“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!”
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Well, first, thanks for reminding the Republicans about Recess Appointments being in the Senate... especially when you were speaking to the Senate in the first place.

Secondly, his appointments are going to be too controversial for him to actually get GOP approval on that he needs recess appointments? Granted, the number of moderates in the Senate is tiny, but a two seat majority (or 3 including a tiebreaker for Vance) in the Senate isn't that big. This is a warning sign. Trump is effectively saying he wants to appoint his Cabinet and Exec Branch without oversight.
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Of course. Why would he want oversight if the Congress is willing to not oversee him?
 
That question about mass deportations and DACA comes to mind. I wonder whether being in the DACA system has put bullseyes on these people.
 
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
I watched a documentary on the fall of the Roman Empire last night, and apart from plagues one of the things it mentioned causing the fall was climate change (although not human caused this time). It got wetter and colder and this made the Asian nomadic peoples (Huns) move west. The Goths turned to Rome for help but were rejected, and so the barbarian peoples conquered Western Roman Empire.
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If there's any time decadence resulted in the fall of an empire it'd be around now.
 
I don't think they can modify the Act without a super majority and I can't imagine they could even get a 50 +Vance vote on fucking up The Fed. Musk is melomaniac who over estimates the breadth of his intelligence.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I don't think they can modify the Act without a super majority and I can't imagine they could even get a 50 +Vance vote on fucking up The Fed. Musk is melomaniac who over estimates the breadth of his intelligence.
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But we're really just hanging on for dear life at this point, so not sure if that makes me feel better, lol.
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Elon Musk wants to radically reshape who controls America’s money supply

Trump and Musk are going to crash the economy. Buckle the fuck up.
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And there's more!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-department-of-government-efficiency-trump/index.html

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President-elect Donald Trump announced Tuesday that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead a new “Department of Government Efficiency” in his second administration.

“Together, these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for my Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies,” Trump said in a statement.

The announcement of Ramaswamy and particularly Musk, who leads companies with existing, lucrative government contracts, raises immediate questions about potential conflicts of interest. It is not immediately clear how the department – which Trump said would “provide advice and guidance from outside of Government” – would operate, and whether a Congress even fully controlled by Republicans would have the appetite to approve such a massive overhaul of government spending and operations.
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Musk, who slashed staff after buying Twitter – now X – in 2022, has embraced the idea of being the “Secretary of Cost-Cutting,” as Trump called him in a Fox News interview last month.

Asked by Trump-Vance transition team co-chair Howard Lutnick at a rally last month how much he could cut out of the nation’s $6.5 trillion budget, Musk responded: “Well, I think we could do at least $2 trillion.”

“Your money is being wasted, and the Department of Government Efficiency is going to fix that,” Musk said at the Madison Square Garden rally in New York City. “We’re going to get the government off your back and out of your pocketbook.”

(The federal government spent $6.8 trillion in fiscal 2024, according to the Treasury Department.)

But experts have voiced doubts about Musk being able to slash anywhere near $2 trillion.
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So Trump is naming them to head a powerless group that he invented. I feel less worried about that task. Trump's problem with gutting Government spending is that Congress has the power of the purse. Musk might come up with ways to gut the Executive, but Project 2025 already does that. This almost feels like Trump is BS'ing his base.

Meanwhile I continue to be amazed at all of the outsiders of the system like Hegseth being named to be Sec of Defense. The Minnesota National Guardsman who served in Iraq and Afghanistan... went to two Ivy League Schools. I find it interesting how someone like him could get this role. I also find it quite something that he is leading with "anti-woke" as his main mission. Not cybersecurity, drones, China, Russia, North Korea, emerging issues. Women, gays in the military. We are fucked.
 
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