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“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.

Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
I've said this so many times, it's nauseating.

Do you mean to say that you think repeating this nonsense will somehow make it true, or somehow get us to accept it? And it is making you nauseous that neither is happening?
, not eyes.
Saying it's nonsense a thousand times a thousand isn't going to change the fact that it is anything but nonsense.
 
It really doesn't disprove Lessans' observations. Lightning would be seen in different frames of reference because it's not matter; it's electricity. IOW, it's not an object. Do you understand why this doesn't apply? :confused2:

No, I do not understand why this does’t apply, because there is nothing to understand. It is nonsense.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. We do not see light. We see the things light illumines.

In the case of Einstein’s train gedanken, the person on the ground sees the back and front of the train illumined and the air between the train and her eyes illumined simultaneously. The person on the train sees the front of the train and the back of the train and the air between them illumined sequentially. This is proof we do not see in real time. If we did, the train observer and the ground observer would agree when the lightning struck.
That makes sense because it shows that the frame of reference between being on the ground and being on a moving train allows us to see the lightning differently at the same time. This is no surprise really. In fact, it makes sense. Whether we see lightning simultaneously or sequentially demonstrates that depending on our frame of reference where one is stationary and one is moving changes what we see. Both people are obviously seeing the lightning differently as it strikes. It still does not prove what you think it does: that matter reflects light such that it travels over hundreds of years to reach the eye.
Yes, peacegirl, it does prove it. You keep telling everyone that we see everything instantly, that if God turned on the sun at noon we would see it instantly, even though it takes the light eight minutes to reach the eye. If this were true, everyone, in every reference frame, would see everything instantly, and all agree on what they saw and what time it happened. The relativity of simultaneity proves that this is not the case. From the relativity of simultaneity we also get time dilation, which would be impossible in a world of real-time seeing. We went over this with you again and again at FF. Your cellphone has a GPS. Every time you use your phone for directions or to find the location of something, you are refuting your author’s claims.This is because the GPS in your phone must account for both gravitational and relativistic time dilation. But time dilation would not happen in a world of real-time seeing.
I’m not going to argue with you because you believe time is a dimension that can contract and dilate. Einstein said so. There is no way we will ever meet on grounds that we can agree upon, so let’s leave this subject for now. I know you won’t. 🫤
It’s not because Einstein said it. It’s because it’s true. Einstein was just the first to discover it is true. It has been experimentally demonstrated countless different times and ways. As I just told you, the GPS device in your phone is designed to take into account gravitational and relativistic time dilation. And yes, time is a dimension. Einstein demonstrated that we live in a four dimensional universe, three dimensions of space and one of time.
Hmmm, just like we have four senses and a pair of eyes. ;) I don't think time is a dimension. Clocks may run slower due to gravitational pull but that does not mean that time actually slows down or speeds up when time is a measurement of change. It's not a thing in itself.
Finally, do you really not understand that matter and energy are the same thing, in two different apparent forms? And that you can convert one to the other? Have you never heard of E=mc2?
Yes I have. They may be able to convert one to the other in theory, but lightning as we know it in nature is an electrical charge that is not a form of matter. We can see it in real time as it strikes, not because light travels faster than sound. Thunder takes longer because it the sound travels which takes time.
 
peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.

Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
I've said this so many times, it's nauseating. Delayed light is when the light bounces or is reflected off of the object and the wavelength then travels for long distances and periods of time creating the belief that what we see is the past. Real time vision means that we would see the object as it is today, not yesterday, only because it is large enough and bright enough to be revealed in real time. If it could be seen, the wavelength of light would necessarily be at the eye, or we wouldn't see the object because it would be too far away or too small for any resolution. The event or object would be within our field of view or within the field of view of a camera or telescope. They work the same way even though we are dealing with instruments, not eyes.


We don't see the object without light being radiated by it or light reflected off it. We see the light, not the object. Light carries information which is interpreted by the brain as an object, star, moon, comet, meteor, etc.
 
peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.
No
Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
No
Okey dokey.

You have a strong belief in the work of a long dead author.
What does being dead have to do with his knowledge? Does the fact that he died mean his discovery has no value? What a ridiculous thing to say.
You promote it on the net and you said you approached people with the book looking for interest. You were rejected and expressed anger.
I was never rejected. I feel frustrated not threatened. It's upsetting because the world is not doing well, and this knowledge could prevent what all the threats of punishment and all the promises of peace could not achieve.
An old cliche. Philosopher know yourself, or before you fix the world fix yourself.
That's sort of Zen. It takes a collective to bring peace on a global scale, although being a peaceful individual can make for a more peaceful environment in general.
Personal and group identities challenged is a major cause of conflict.

Nothing profound, I observed it over years of debate with Christians on the forum. Christians have a strong belief in a long dead Jew and beve global Chrtnity will make things right.

The form is always the same, content varies.
This is not about an individual at all. It's about the extension of knowledge never before understood (the two-sided equation) and that when we extend this knowledge into all areas of human interaction, major changes can occur for our betterment.
 
peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.

Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
I've said this so many times, it's nauseating. Delayed light is when the light bounces or is reflected off of the object and the wavelength then travels for long distances and periods of time creating the belief that what we see is the past. Real time vision means that we would see the object as it is today, not yesterday, only because it is large enough and bright enough to be revealed in real time. If it could be seen, the wavelength of light would necessarily be at the eye, or we wouldn't see the object because it would be too far away or too small for any resolution. The event or object would be within our field of view or within the field of view of a camera or telescope. They work the same way even though we are dealing with instruments, not eyes.


We don't see the object without light being radiated by it or light reflected off it.
Incorrect. When you say radiated, light is still doing its thing. It's attributes are still there. You keep going back to light rather than the eyes, and that's why it makes no sense.
We see the light, not the object. Light carries information which is interpreted by the brain as an object, star, moon, comet, meteor, etc.
Light reveals the external world, it doesn't bring the external world to us. You can continue to believe what you want.
 
peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.

Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
I've said this so many times, it's nauseating. Delayed light is when the light bounces or is reflected off of the object and the wavelength then travels for long distances and periods of time creating the belief that what we see is the past. Real time vision means that we would see the object as it is today, not yesterday, only because it is large enough and bright enough to be revealed in real time. If it could be seen, the wavelength of light would necessarily be at the eye, or we wouldn't see the object because it would be too far away or too small for any resolution. The event or object would be within our field of view or within the field of view of a camera or telescope. They work the same way even though we are dealing with instruments, not eyes.


We don't see the object without light being radiated by it or light reflected off it.
Incorrect. When you say radiated, light is still doing its thing. It's attributes are still there. You keep going back to light rather than the eyes, and that's why it makes no sense.
We see the light, not the object. Light carries information which is interpreted by the brain as an object, star, moon, comet, meteor, etc.

It's a simple thing, you walk into a pitch dark room where you can see nothing, you flip the light switch and you can see everything that is in the room. The reason for that is light being reflected from walls and objects in the room, which is detected by the eyes and processed by the brain.
 
The eyes don't have nerve endings like the other senses.
Yes, they do.

https://askabiologist.asu.edu/rods-and-cones
No they don't, not like the other four.
The eyes don't have nerve endings like the other senses. This already shows the eyes are not a sense organ in the way a sense organ is defined.

Yes they do.

Nerve endings that receive stimulus in the eyes.
 
The eyes don't have nerve endings like the other senses. This already shows the eyes are not a sense organ in the way a sense organ is defined.
That is an amazing post to start reading a thread at.

Yeah, right?
 
You show her medical documentation of afferent sensory nerves in the eye and she just flat out says No. No reason, just No. It is breathtaking.
 
peacegirl

There has been a lot of lengthy posts, if you would humor me please state clearly in your own words exactly what you mean by real time versus delayed sight.

Real time sight is a,b,c...
Delayed sight is d,e,f...

Don'trfefer me to yuur author, in your own words.
I've said this so many times, it's nauseating. Delayed light is when the light bounces or is reflected off of the object and the wavelength then travels for long distances and periods of time creating the belief that what we see is the past. Real time vision means that we would see the object as it is today, not yesterday, only because it is large enough and bright enough to be revealed in real time. If it could be seen, the wavelength of light would necessarily be at the eye, or we wouldn't see the object because it would be too far away or too small for any resolution. The event or object would be within our field of view or within the field of view of a camera or telescope. They work the same way even though we are dealing with instruments, not eyes.


We don't see the object without light being radiated by it or light reflected off it. We see the light, not the object. Light carries information which is interpreted by the brain as an object, star, moon, comet, meteor, etc.

Precisely, we don’t see light, the eye detects it and the brain interprets it as an image.
 
You show her medical documentation of afferent sensory nerves in the eye and she just flat out says No. No reason, just No. It is breathtaking.
Because the optic nerve is really a tract, not a nerve, it is surrounded by the three layers of meninges and cerebrospinal fluid. The two optic nerves meet underneath the hypothalamus, just in front of the pituitary stalk, and many of the fibers cross to the opposite side.
 
You show her medical documentation of afferent sensory nerves in the eye and she just flat out says No. No reason, just No. It is breathtaking.
Because the optic nerve is really a tract, not a nerve, it is surrounded by the three layers of meninges and cerebrospinal fluid. The two optic nerves meet underneath the hypothalamus, just in front of the pituitary stalk, and many of the fibers cross to the opposite side.

And what do you think is the function of the optic nerve?
 
You show her medical documentation of afferent sensory nerves in the eye and she just flat out says No. No reason, just No. It is breathtaking.
Because the optic nerve is really a tract, not a nerve, it is surrounded by the three layers of meninges and cerebrospinal fluid. The two optic nerves meet underneath the hypothalamus, just in front of the pituitary stalk, and many of the fibers cross to the opposite side.

It is so cute how peacegirl grabs stuff off the web and tries to repurpose it for her bullshit without understanding what she is saying at all. And she does this stuff without even citing what she is grabbing, or its context. This is what happens when you got nuthin’.
 
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