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Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency and use military for deportations

I believe in the Statue of Liberty.
A mediocre poem, written in the 19th century when US population was ~50M, is not a basis for a system of governmentimmigration policy.

I think there should be legal immigration, based on our needs and also vetting potential immigrants. This business of letting in everybody who shows up at the border and letting them remain indefinitely (and making it difficult to deport them, especially if they move to sanctuary cities and/or have anchor babies) contributed to the Trump victory.
 
Not to Trump and most of MAGA. Have you already forgotten about his promise to deport the Haitians in Springfield who are here legally
They are on a temporary protected status. They were never meant to stay here long-term.
I think the Biden administration has abused the program by keeping extending it with no apparent plan to ever end it.
 
"First they came for the migrants, and I did not speak out, because I was not a migrant..."
Well I have been speaking out against Trump. I voted against him. Got involved in the race in Washington. Donated money to the Harris campaign. Debated many many times against Trumpers. However, at the end of the day, 46% of all Latinos voted for Trump. 55% Latino men voted for Trump. Call me a bitter asshole, but not sure how much political capital I’m going to spend when so many do so little for their cause. Elections have consequences…
 
"First they came for the migrants, and I did not speak out, because I was not a migrant..."
Illegal migrants. There is a difference between legal and illegal migration.
Not to Trump and most of MAGA. Have you already forgotten about his promise to deport the Haitians in Springfield who are here legally?
Isn't Derec an immigrant? Hmm...
 
Illegal migrants. There is a difference between legal and illegal migration.
The main difference is that it's cheaper for rich citizens to hire immigrants that can't get documents.

Rich folks don't want immigration reform, that's why it hasn't happened for all these many years. Cheap labor, expensive gasoline? What's not to like when you are already a citizen and rich?
Tom
 
I believe in the Statue of Liberty.
She's a fucking immigrant. Send her back to France!
Bitch has been treated for "green patina" multiple times, which is one of those STDs that her kind has brought over. Also -- take a good look at "her" eyebrows, nose, lips, and chin structure, and see if you don't think that Liberty started out as Larry (or more likely, Louie.) Keep "her" out of women's sports.
 
Millions of people entered the USA on Bush II watch. He arguably caused the trickle of central American immigrants to become a flood.
Bush has been soft on illegal migration. His brother also called illegal migration an "act of love".
Those people could easily follow the US laws if the US citizens were willing to follow them. If we Americans gave as many work documents as we are willing to give jobs the problem would be gone by Christmas.
So your "solution" is to just declare all illegals legal?
Republican politicians caused the huge increase in illegal immigrants because it's profitable. Democrats try to take care of them because they have better morals.
"Better morals", huh! More like they were hoping for the demographic change (they tend to fetishize "brown") to lead to a lasting electoral advantage for the Dems. And indeed many of the leftist Dems are immigrants from underdeveloped countries - people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. But many are also very socially conservative. The Islamist (and nominally Democratic) mayor of the Muslim colony of Hamtramckabad backed Trump not only because of Gaza, but also because of Dems' stance on social issues.
A Muslim Mayor Endorses Trump, and a City of Immigrants Finds Itself Undone
NY Times said:
Two years later, [Muslim Hamtramck mayor Amer] Ghalib created another stir when he and other socially conservative Muslims banned the L.G.B.T.Q. Pride flag from publicly owned flagpoles, alarming liberals who said the move was discriminatory and harmful to the city’s welcoming reputation.
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Explaining his support [for Trump], Mr. Ghalib pointed to a distaste for liberal social views, anger at President Biden’s support of Israel and a belief that Mr. Trump will end the conflict in the Middle East.
That's what mindless mass migration gets you.
In Hamtramck (pronounced “ham-tram-ick”), many longtime liberal residents, including members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, say they were dejected.
Over the years, they had actively encouraged the city of 30,000 residents, just north of downtown Detroit, to welcome immigrants. When Muslims won a majority of seats in the six-member City Council in 2015, they cheered the change as a rebuke to the anti-immigrant rhetoric used by Mr. Trump.
They had not expected this outcome.
In other words, they did not expect the leopards they encouraged to immigrate would bite the faces of the wrong people.
 
Illegal migrants. There is a difference between legal and illegal migration.
The main difference is that it's cheaper for rich citizens to hire immigrants that can't get documents.

Rich folks don't want immigration reform, that's why it hasn't happened for all these many years. Cheap labor, expensive gasoline? What's not to like when you are already a citizen and rich?
Tom
It’s cheaper for everyone! I just got a quote to replace the roof on my 3100 sf home: $32,000! The cost of any labor today is very high due to labor shortages. The rich can handle it a lot better than the middle class.
 
Navajo Nation, Cherokee Nation, Choctaw Nation, Comanche Nation, Lakota Sioux et al. (569 additional plaintiffs) Vs. U.S. Fed. Gov. Plaintiffs seek immediate relief and forcible deportation of multiple caucasoid and europoid groups, esp. Germanic groups identifiable by cheese-hued hair and facial features;
I guess these Russian-Americans can fuck off to Siberia where they came from next then.
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Leftist think mass migrants showing up at US border should be let in in their millions, but somehow European settlement of North America centuries ago is unacceptable. It's also very one-sidedly anti-European. They never object to Turkic people from central Asia invading Asia Minor and even Europe.
MICA! Make Istanbul Constantinople Again! #landBack to Byzantium!
 
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Millions of people entered the USA on Bush II watch. He arguably caused the trickle of central American immigrants to become a flood.
Bush has been soft on illegal migration. His brother also called illegal migration an "act of love".
Those people could easily follow the US laws if the US citizens were willing to follow them. If we Americans gave as many work documents as we are willing to give jobs the problem would be gone by Christmas.
So your "solution" is to just declare all illegals legal?
Republican politicians caused the huge increase in illegal immigrants because it's profitable. Democrats try to take care of them because they have better morals.
"Better morals", huh! More like they were hoping for the demographic change (they tend to fetishize "brown") to lead to a lasting electoral advantage for the Dems.
Well, the Newscorp investment looks to have done the job. Allowing people who can't vote into our country in order to help us in elections would be a pretty dumb idea. And generally, people have tendency to vote the pocket book than other reasons. So no, the Democrats aren't allowing hoards of migrants into the US for electoral purposes. In general, they aren't letting in hoards to begin with.
And indeed many of the leftist Dems are immigrants from underdeveloped countries - people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
Yes, many... let's just name two though.
But many are also very socially conservative.
Dude, the liberals are the ones that generally don't have the 'monolith' feel with ethnic groups. We know that some Hispanics are socially conservative. We understand that some Muslims can be socially conservative to even backwards. You keep repeating this like we never understood it.
 
Well, the Newscorp investment looks to have done the job. Allowing people who can't vote into our country in order to help us in elections would be a pretty dumb idea. And generally, people have tendency to vote the pocket book than other reasons.
It's a longer term plan (illegals given a "path to citizenship" can eventually vote, as can their children due to misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment), even if it is a pretty dumb idea as the 2024 election showed. But you will often hear arguments that "browning" of America is a good thing for Democrats electorally. Before Trump made inroads with blacks and Hispanics, and even Muslims, you would often hear terms like "demography is destiny" and "permanent majority". Republican long term electoral chances were dismissed because they were all "male, pale and stale", not considering the sexism, racism and ageism inherent in that quip.
So no, the Democrats aren't allowing hoards of migrants into the US for electoral purposes. In general, they aren't letting in hoards to begin with.
Hordes, not hoards. And they certainly are.
Yes, many... let's just name two though.
Those two are examples.
Dude, the liberals are the ones that generally don't have the 'monolith' feel with ethnic groups. We know that some Hispanics are socially conservative. We understand that some Muslims can be socially conservative to even backwards. You keep repeating this like we never understood it.
You don't seem to. Whenever I discussed mass Muslim migration for example, my concerns about, e.g. 98% of Afghans being Sharia supporters, have always been dismissed.
Europe is doing worse in that regard, since they have been invaded by Muslims much harder in recent decades. Now there are protests in Hamburg by Muslims demanding a Caliphate.
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A big problem with Muslim mass migration is also that they have huge birthrates and will outbreed Europeans.
US would be well-advised not to let the same happen to us.
 
Please list all the steps required to migrate legally and become a US citizen. The ways you gloss over the process makes it sound simple. I hope I'm not making any unwarranted assumptions here.
It is not simple. But why should it be? US is still an attractive destination for legal migration. There is no reason to have to allow illegal migration (incl. abuse of the asylum system!) or not be selective in what migrants we admit (e.g. no Islamists and other extremists).
 
somehow European settlement of North America centuries ago is unacceptable.
Who said that? It wasn't me.

It's the vicious bigotry and self absortion and greed that causes the problem. Not the European heritage.
Now, it's the greediness.

I want everyone here.
Tom
 
But you will often hear arguments that "browning" of America is a good thing for Democrats electorally.
It's a good thing for America!
Nearly everyone else on the planet is browner than the racist people who supported Trump.
I don't care about their skin tone.
Why do you?
Tom
 
Who said that? It wasn't me.
It was ideologyhunter.
It's the vicious bigotry and self absortion and greed that causes the problem. Not the European heritage.
Now, it's the greediness.
It is not bigotry to recognize that people from certain regions tend to have beliefs incompatible with western societies. That does not mean a blanket rejection of everybody from e.g. Somalia (somebody like Ayan Hirsi Ali for example rejects those beliefs) but it does mean that more people from those regions will be rightly rejected than people from western countries or countries like say Japan.

I agree that greed plays a role. Hiring illegals should be prosecuted. That depresses wages for others, and not being able to find a job will reduce the pull for illegal migrants.
I want everyone here.
US can't reasonably accommodate even a small fraction of "everyone". And neither should we. It's good to be selective about potential immigrants. It should not be done in a racist way, but at the same time we should acknowledge that there are certain areas where vast majority of people are incompatible with western way of life and that therefore fewer people from e.g. Afghanistan or Somalia should qualify. I do not think western countries should be obligated to take in Islamists who want the Caliphate because of some misguided sense of "fairness".
 
Let's just hope in the rush and zeal to deport all the illegal or criminal immigrants, legal law-abiding immigrants are not swept up and sent out.
I've worried about that, and I see that Auxulus just posted what I was going to say. He's been saying he will deport the Haitians who are here legally, which is basically a death sentence, when you consider that Haiti is a failed state run by ruthless gangs.
Americans have never shied away from child murder, as long as it's someone else holding the gun. Nothing has changed but the framing.
 
It's a good thing for America!. [...] I don't care about their skin tone.
You claim to not care about the skin tone, and yet you say fewer whites and more "browns" in America is a good thing? Your words betray you.
Why do you?
I don't. I care about culture. Islamism should be out, whether the Islamist is from Bosnia, Syria, Afghanistan, Indonesia or Somalia.

Often though lily-white people are referred to as "brown" and are given POC privileges in the US simply because of the language they (or their ancestors) speak and what religion they are.
 
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