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Trump and Hitler - a comparison

Enough with comparing the two. Where does it get us? And c'mon, there's a fairness issue that rears up and overwhelms the discussion. After all, one man:
> inspired a rebellion against the government out in the streets that led to several deaths (not, of course, his own, though his followers never called him a coward)
> was considered a harmless loon by the ruling class until he gained power, after which his movement of racial supremacy was shown in its true colors
> through unprecedented use of mass media, inflamed his countrymen's hatred against a marginalized, defenseless group
> preached a doctrine of pure, national blood
> caused countless deaths through his madness

The other was Reich Chancellor of Nazi Germany for a dozen years.
 
Enough with comparing the two. Where does it get us? And c'mon, there's a fairness issue that rears up and overwhelms the discussion. After all, one man:
> inspired a rebellion against the government out in the streets that led to several deaths (not, of course, his own, though his followers never called him a coward)
> was considered a harmless loon by the ruling class until he gained power, after which his movement of racial supremacy was shown in its true colors
> through unprecedented use of mass media, inflamed his countrymen's hatred against a marginalized, defenseless group
> preached a doctrine of pure, national blood
> caused countless deaths through his madness

The other was Reich Chancellor of Nazi Germany for a dozen years.
Cute.

IAE, I’ve continued my reading of the establishment of the Nazi regime. It’s truly frightening how quickly he was able to establish his position and to turn to suppression. Certainly, I don’t expect history to simplistically repeat itself, but I do believe that given the chance he would love to establish a similar regime. He would love to suppress all dissent and have everyone be required to effectively worship him as Hitler required adulation.

An interesting point about Nazi suppression of dissent is that the Gestapo were overwhelmed with numerous allegations of “malicious gossip,” everything from jokes about the regime to claims that the Nazis were suppressing the people’s freedom. But the reports were insane. People complained to the gestapo about their boss who didn’t promote them, businessmen complained about competitors, students about teachers who didn’t give them a high enough grade. The Gestapo investigated all of these. Most were quickly dismissed but many did result in imprisonment, especially for lower classes.

It was the unpredictability of denunciations that impacted social life. You could never trust anyone. The Gestapo could be anywhere but in reality in the 30’s was not that large. The regime actively destroyed social life in Germany in just a few years. Everyone had to be on guard about what you said or whom you offended. Quoted one in his diary, “Everyone fears the next person maybe an informer.”

Hitler also held elections and plebiscites. They were shams of course. You could only vote yes or no and the ballot was not secret. 99% of Austrians supported the Anschluss. To not vote or vote no was a sure fire way to get a visit from the Gestapo. Block wardens ensured that people displayed the proper enthusiasm for the regime.

The question is whether the American people will allow this to happen to them. People give lip service to freedom, what they want is order. Trump promises order, but calls it freedom. I strongly believe that we must openly dissent as much as possible. What I fear is some real or contrived emergency that Trump uses to establish his version of autocracy. I mean how dare you criticize Trump in this time of crisis? We must unite. Bullshit of course. Only through continued dissent, protest and resistance can we ensure he cannot establish an effectively autocratic government. He cannot put 50 million people in jail. But Hitler didn’t have to either. He just had to make examples of people to shut the rest up. Regardless of the consequences, we must dissent.

Not sure how I will exactly do so, but I will find a way, especially as an attorney in a deep red state.
 

Trump transition team compiling list of current and former U.S. military officers for possible courts-martial


Yup, time to weed out disloyal components from the military. People made Cheato look bad by pointing out the idiotic things he did to try to fuck up Joe Biden, should he try to do what Trump could not: Get us out of Afghanistan.
A 2022 independent review by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction blamed both the Trump and Biden administrations for the chaotic U.S. withdrawal in 2021.
Whoever that inspector general is/was, he best be booking some flights.
Cheato don't take no steenkin blame for the stupid shit he does.
His Suckertary of Me-fense is another sexual predator - this regime is chock full of them. So this Pete Headset guy is Kompromatted by Trump who is Kompromatted by Putin...

We should just put Putin in the fucking Whitehouse, and eliminate teh stoopid apricot standing between him and running the country. We would probably be better off.
Putin is no genius, but he's easily twice as smart as the apricot, and probably more inclined toward the welfare of the American people.
 
Continuing my reading of Nazi Germany and how Hitler managed to capture the state and people, one thing that cannot be underestimated is the use of religion. Indeed Hitler as savior of Germany is a common motif. One “believed” in Hitler. He was the redeemer and savior of Germany. The Third Reich was the eternal kingdom. He used the churches particularly evangelical ones and evangelical pastors supported him. It was the liberals like Bonhoeffer and Neimoller who he had to imprison and even kill. Indeed he wanted to establish a national church that was evangelical in orientation.

Trump too is seen in such apotheosis terms. Trump is going to save America. Make it great again. If there is one thing that explains his enduring popularity it is evangelicals. Others used them. He actually delivered to them. They support him so much more than other candidates it’s utterly mind boggling. Trump as an Angel of his is a common meme. He has come to cleanse America in preparation for the coming of Jesus Christ which of course is right around the corner - as it has been for the last 1990 years. They forgive every sin he has committed against the church. It’s insane. Here are two propaganda pictures that are unsurprisingly similar.

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One interesting difference between the two - and that might change - is Hitler’s ability to use extra judicial means to silence his opponents. Pastor Neimoller was initially a supporter of Hitler. Hitler promised him that there would be no pogrom against the Jews and he took him at his word.

Later disagreements led to Neimoller’s arrest and prosecution through traditional courts. But the evidence so flimsy that he was convicted of only one minor count and sentenced to time served and released.

The SS were waiting for him at the prison gates and took him immediately away to a concentration camp where he remained for the duration of the third Reich.

There is no SS in the US - yet. But Trump does have a variety of militias he could call upon to do his dirty work. He could say things like SLD is a pain in my side. I wish someone would take care of him. That would happen. He could use the power of pardon. Or he could just use them to form his own SS.
 
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