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The Jewish Concept of a Messiah
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Monism is a commonplace term in philosophy. Perhaps it is philosophy itself to which you object. I stand with Marx: "As philosophy finds in the proletariat its material weapon, so the proletariat finds in philosophy its spiritual weapon." Philosophy and the proletariat have abandoned each other, and both thus stand weaponless.
Those who devote their lives to Chinese literature and thought are Chinese in all significant senses.
It is a spiritual/intellectual orientation.
I devote myself to Jewish literature and thought.
Greece and Rome fell to Judaism, as will the whole world.
Purified Christianity is pure Judaism.
Judaism is Asiatic. Chinese culture originated from Sumerians ie. primitive Jews.
DBT
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Existence is a reality, God is an assumption.
Yours is the materialist monist position. True monism holds that God is the foundation and source of all being. This is a philosophic position. It is attained via reason, intuition and intellect. Those who limit their understanding to empirical data are not capable of philosophizing. I stand with Marx: "As philosophy finds in the proletariat its material weapon, so the proletariat finds in philosophy its spiritual weapon." Where philosophy and the proletariat have abandoned each other, both stand weaponless.
DBT
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Anything is possible with philosophising, which is why science requires testing of ideas and has made great leaps in our understanding of the world.
SLD
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Arrrgh. 
Don’t we have some Jewish folks on the board who can comment on the OP?
Don’t we have some Jewish folks on the board who can comment on the OP?
steve_bank
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NR
Were you raised Christian or Jewish? Are you a self declared Jew? Do you keep kosher? Did you go through a Jewish religious conversion process? I knew a guy who converted to Judaism when he married a Jew.
If you go by archeology, genetics, and anthropology we all trace back to Africa...we are all of African descent.b Southern Africa I believe, it was a mystery for a while how migration got north through the desert.
And if you don't mind the question, do you derive or are you trying to derive an income of any sort form all this? Are you looking for financial contributions?
There have been global Jewish conspiracy theories as far back as I can remember, this stuff tops it all.
Were you raised Christian or Jewish? Are you a self declared Jew? Do you keep kosher? Did you go through a Jewish religious conversion process? I knew a guy who converted to Judaism when he married a Jew.
If you go by archeology, genetics, and anthropology we all trace back to Africa...we are all of African descent.b Southern Africa I believe, it was a mystery for a while how migration got north through the desert.
And if you don't mind the question, do you derive or are you trying to derive an income of any sort form all this? Are you looking for financial contributions?
There have been global Jewish conspiracy theories as far back as I can remember, this stuff tops it all.
I was raised an atheist by parents who had rejected their parents' Christian religion. My commitment to Judaism is the result of my reading.
I am creating a school which will pay students to read and analyze the works that I select. I am following Spinoza, who writes, "[a]cademies, that are founded at the public expense, are instituted not so much to cultivate men's natural abilities as to restrain them. But in a free commonwealth arts and sciences will be best cultivated to the full, if everyone that asks leave is allowed to teach publicly, and that at his own cost and risk."
Agreed.
steve_bank
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So NR, you are nit Jewish in any conventional sense, you don't eat kosher food and go to temple on the sabbath.
You are out to purify Christianity? I can see a lot of Christians who would not that idea lightly, same with Muslims and Jews.
I heard a saying as a kid about someone being 'as mad as Moses'.
You ape pear to be yet another with a variation on Jesus.
There used to be a Sunday TV show The Jewish Jesus by a rabbi. Episodes are probably online.
I watched a news segment about Israeli Jewish 'Jesus freaks'.
en.wikipedia.org
You have a lot of aggressive competition. Mormons push their version of Chrtianity world wide.
Back to the OT movements go back to the 18th cabinetry in the USA.
You are out to purify Christianity? I can see a lot of Christians who would not that idea lightly, same with Muslims and Jews.
I heard a saying as a kid about someone being 'as mad as Moses'.
You ape pear to be yet another with a variation on Jesus.
There used to be a Sunday TV show The Jewish Jesus by a rabbi. Episodes are probably online.
I watched a news segment about Israeli Jewish 'Jesus freaks'.
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You have a lot of aggressive competition. Mormons push their version of Chrtianity world wide.
Back to the OT movements go back to the 18th cabinetry in the USA.
^The public is getting more and more comfortable with the Jewish Jesus. See, for example, the success of "The Chosen". I am contributing to this in a number of ways:
- Linking the Jewish Jesus to specific Jewish writers
- Linking philosophy, science and the Bible
DBT
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A narrative used to explain a set of observations, a theory or hypothesis, is not necessarily an example of philosophy.
DBT
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The observation has to define the narrative. The explanation must account for what is being observed.
SLD
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Yes. Pretty much what he said. A lot of people say that. He was merely claiming to be the new king. A descendant of David. He would drive out the Romans, and they’d be free once more. He argued that Jesus thought god would perform a miracle to stop the crucifixion and would defeat the Romans without the need for the Jews to engage in open rebellion. Thus he didn’t organize an armed force. He just marched into Jerusalem and basically expected god to be his backup. His pathetic cry on the cross makes sense then. He realized he had been abandoned by god.
He argues that Barabbas was not a thief, but actually a revolutionary. Israel was full of such men at the time.
He also points out that at Jesus’s anointing, the phrase, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,’ is actually a statement from the coronation of a new Israeli king. The whole concept of messiahship was simply the restoration of the old kings.
Another interesting point he makes is the palm fronds aren’t a spring thing. He says it’s more likely that Jesus came to Jerusalem in the fall and that he was kept in prison for months before being executed. But others say that they’re available year round.
steve_bank
Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Linking science and the bible?
Christians are way ahead of you.
www.discovery.org
An interesting Jewish rabbi and philosopher. He was known for building interfaith bridges and with Greek philosophy.
He wrote that when scripture and science conflict interpretation of scripture must change.
I am not current, but historically Jews have been very diverse on religion an philosophy. Like most there is no singular Jew or Jewish sect. So when you refer to Judaism as some kind of absolute narrow belief and philosophy you are ignorant. One Jew I knew said all Jews are freer to interpret scripture on an issue, and are bound to abide by their interpretation.
en.wikipedia.org
I read his book Guide For The Perplexed.
You may find Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends And Influence People useful in meeting your goals.
Chapter 1. “IF YOU WANT TO GATHER HONEY, DON’T KICK OVER THE BEEHIVE.”
Christians are way ahead of you.
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An interesting Jewish rabbi and philosopher. He was known for building interfaith bridges and with Greek philosophy.
He wrote that when scripture and science conflict interpretation of scripture must change.
I am not current, but historically Jews have been very diverse on religion an philosophy. Like most there is no singular Jew or Jewish sect. So when you refer to Judaism as some kind of absolute narrow belief and philosophy you are ignorant. One Jew I knew said all Jews are freer to interpret scripture on an issue, and are bound to abide by their interpretation.
Maimonides - Wikipedia
I read his book Guide For The Perplexed.
You may find Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends And Influence People useful in meeting your goals.
Chapter 1. “IF YOU WANT TO GATHER HONEY, DON’T KICK OVER THE BEEHIVE.”
steve_bank
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NR jump over to the thread Jewish Jesus in general region.
Jesus had a far broader view of the nature and function of the Messiah than did or do most other people. For him, it was indeed a world-redemption role. Non-Jews were to be enfolded into the project to realize the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.Yes. Pretty much what he said. A lot of people say that. He was merely claiming to be the new king. A descendant of David. He would drive out the Romans, and they’d be free once more. He argued that Jesus thought god would perform a miracle to stop the crucifixion and would defeat the Romans without the need for the Jews to engage in open rebellion. Thus he didn’t organize an armed force. He just marched into Jerusalem and basically expected god to be his backup. His pathetic cry on the cross makes sense then. He realized he had been abandoned by god.
He argues that Barabbas was not a thief, but actually a revolutionary. Israel was full of such men at the time.
He also points out that at Jesus’s anointing, the phrase, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,’ is actually a statement from the coronation of a new Israeli king. The whole concept of messiahship was simply the restoration of the old kings.
Another interesting point he makes is the palm fronds aren’t a spring thing. He says it’s more likely that Jesus came to Jerusalem in the fall and that he was kept in prison for months before being executed. But others say that they’re available year round.
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