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“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
You’re so confused Pood, you really have no understanding of his insight into death.
LOL

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
Seriously? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

:eating_popcorn:
I am asking the same question. Pood doesn’t even know. He just saw the author use some pronouns and now thinks that this somehow relates but he has no clue.
Sure I know exactly what he is claiming, and and as matter of fact, back at FF I showed you two others who held the exact same belief. But you didn’t want to hear that because it might make your great “genius” of an author not the only one to come up with this idea. :rolleyes:

But it’s encouraging to know we may be about to start discussing the third nutty “discovery.” :cheer:
 
I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
You’re so confused Pood, you really have no understanding of his insight into death.
LOL

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
Seriously? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

:eating_popcorn:
I am asking the same question. Pood doesn’t even know. He just saw the author use some pronouns and now thinks that this somehow relates but he has no clue.
Sure I know exactly what he is claiming, and and as matter of fact, back at FF I showed you two others who held the exact same belief. But you didn’t want to hear that because it might make your great “genius” of an author not the only one to come up with this idea. :rolleyes:

But it’s encouraging to know we may be about to start discussing the third nutty “discovery.” :cheer:
You’re not as smart as you think you are. 😂
 
I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
You’re so confused Pood, you really have no understanding of his insight into death.
LOL

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
Seriously? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

:eating_popcorn:
I am asking the same question. Pood doesn’t even know. He just saw the author use some pronouns and now thinks that this somehow relates but he has no clue.
Sure I know exactly what he is claiming, and and as matter of fact, back at FF I showed you two others who held the exact same belief. But you didn’t want to hear that because it might make your great “genius” of an author not the only one to come up with this idea. :rolleyes:

But it’s encouraging to know we may be about to start discussing the third nutty “discovery.” :cheer:
You’re not as smart as you think you are. 😂
There is no doubt that you and everyone here is searching for truth. I would not be here if this wasn’t the case. It’s just that your conclusion about what is true is extraordinarily off base, which becomes a problem that cannot be easily resolved without a very careful understanding of why he made this claim. People are just reacting in a knee-jerk way. I guess that is to be expected when someone disputes what science has said is indisputable regardless of their statement that science proves nothing. They are hypocrite’s! It's all lip-service. :(
 
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I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
You’re so confused Pood, you really have no understanding of his insight into death.
LOL

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
Seriously? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

:eating_popcorn:
I am asking the same question. Pood doesn’t even know. He just saw the author use some pronouns and now thinks that this somehow relates but he has no clue.
Sure I know exactly what he is claiming, and and as matter of fact, back at FF I showed you two others who held the exact same belief. But you didn’t want to hear that because it might make your great “genius” of an author not the only one to come up with this idea. :rolleyes:

But it’s encouraging to know we may be about to start discussing the third nutty “discovery.” :cheer:
I mean, I'm pretty sure I've discussed it HERE.
 
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
 
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
 
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?
I really don’t want to get bombarded with questions when no one has read the chapter. It’s very comforting though because he proves that death is not the end since we (not the same person) are born again and again. I’d rather go back to his discovery that lies locked behind the door of determinism because, when extended, has the power to bring about peace on earth.
I think we beat determinism to death. Some people in this thread are determinists. Can you post some of the writings of Lessans on this point? I'm curious as to how pronouns could have anything to do with evidence for being born again as another person.

Compatibilists are determinists by definition.
Compatibilism is incoherent. It’s an effort to make free will compatible with determinism by defining free will as being able to choose “appropriately” in their estimation and it disregards a person’s internal reasons for doing what they do altogether. They do this to keep the status quo of holding people accountable. It’s a semantic shift in an effort to look coherent but, by definition, these two ideologies are opposites. You have one, you can’t have the other.
 
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I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
You’re so confused Pood, you really have no understanding of his insight into death.
LOL

I’m sorry you don’t understand how efferent vision is possible. I’m ready to move off this topic.
Maybe we should move on to the third discovery. Can you explain this one, peacegirl?

Yes, let’s move on to discussing how we are all reincarnated via change in personal pronouns.
Seriously? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

:eating_popcorn:
I am asking the same question. Pood doesn’t even know. He just saw the author use some pronouns and now thinks that this somehow relates but he has no clue.
Sure I know exactly what he is claiming, and and as matter of fact, back at FF I showed you two others who held the exact same belief. But you didn’t want to hear that because it might make your great “genius” of an author not the only one to come up with this idea. :rolleyes:

But it’s encouraging to know we may be about to start discussing the third nutty “discovery.” :cheer:
I don’t care who comes up with the idea. Neither did he. I am not going to discuss this chapter, especially with you. How dare you call any of his discovered nutty?! 😡
 
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
 
plea
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
Why don't you create another thread on these topics? Pood can join you. He's right up your alley. :giggle:
 
plea
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
Why don't you create another thread on these topics? Pood can join you. He's right up your alley. :giggle:
Nope. Gonna do it right here. You posted spam about your idol's book or whatever, this is another one of the points your idol bullshits about, it's as on topic as the bullshit about "eye lasers".

You came here advertising something you believe in piously. This is literally internet *infidels*. Flensing beliefs is what we do here.
 
plea
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
Why don't you create another thread on these topics? Pood can join you. He's right up your alley. :giggle:
Nope. Gonna do it right here. You posted spam about your idol's book or whatever,
He's not my idol. Stop namecalling.
this is another one of the points your idol bullshits about, it's as on topic as the bullshit about "eye lasers".

You came here advertising something you believe in piously. This is literally internet *infidels*. Flensing beliefs is what we do here.
I don't mind people flensing beliefs, but your remarks are beyond inflammatory. You are interested in memetic reincarnation. Create another thread on this topic with Pood. This is not what I discuss here. Someone like you is ready to pounce even before you have a chance to understand fully what is being said. You are not the type of person I want to share this knowledge with, not because I'm afraid it's wrong, but because you are so positive you're right that there is no way this man would ever be able to get his points across in a fair and equitable way. You could ruin it for everyone because you obviously have a reputation of being a queen bee.🫅:rolleyes:
 
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@pood lay it on me? I'm all for getting into the nuttery of the third great discovery!

Hell, I'll even *advocate* for it if it's not actually that far from the truth.

As it is, I think this author isn't really that wrong about *some* intuition they have about where they very much want to impugn the actual reality of the phenomena in the act of understanding or knowledge... They want inappropriately to say that despite the fact that "this is not a pipe", that the brain actually does touch somehow this metaphysical truth of the pipe itself through its exposure to its light.

Indeed, something real stands behind the representation, but it is only ever *approximated* rather than "truly accessed" by the mind.

We do experience truth about things... But it is truth only experienced via the inference from of information in the organization and qualities of artifacts such as photons or old bones.

I really am interested in the discussion, but for whatever reason Peacegirl seems reticent to actually do more than mere mockery of the author's claims.

Still, I wish to talk about the secrets of life and death as seen through the eyes of all who claim an epiphany of insight; I have learned and adapted and found support for all manners of claim made by all manners of cult. I have built support for insights of everything from Mormonism to Scientology! Maybe there's some good insight in there!

Usually I'm disappointed, though.
 
@peacegirl nobody has an entitlement to their ideas being approached with anything but doubt, especially when presented to a place that prides itself on its membership's effective doubt.

There are approaches that would have been effective! You could very well have critically approached the author's work, found ways you find them mistaken or weak on the model they present. There's MUCH value in sieving out sources like this for worthwhile insights and concepts... But most media has that, usually amid a majority of mediocre, common knowledge, or outright inaccuracy.

Instead, you came to the gate claiming this pile of "suspicious dirt" is 24 karat gold.
 
@peacegirl nobody has an entitlement to their ideas being approached with anything but doubt, especially when presented to a place that prides itself on its membership's effective doubt.
There is nothing wrong with doubt. I am a skeptic at heart. The author always said, "Take everything with a grain of salt." But there are ways of evaluating new knowledge (even if it sounds absurd at first) without belittling someone and calling them names. THIS IS NOT A CULT, number one, and this has nothing to do with piety, number two.
There are approaches that would have been effective! You could very well have critically approached the author's work, found ways you find them mistaken or weak on the model they present. There's MUCH value in sieving out sources like this for worthwhile insights and concepts... But most media has that, usually amid a majority of mediocre, common knowledge, or outright inaccuracy.

Instead, you came to the gate claiming this pile of "suspicious dirt" is 24 karat gold.
Just as you think I could approach this discovery (which it is) with a more critical eye (btw, you have no idea how I have torn this knowledge apart and it stands solid), YOU could have approached this thread with a little more humility and open-mindedness before trying to crush me.
 
Here is a video of a little boy who got an implant in his brain's sound processing center. Amazing! But... I wonder if it works the same way with sight. Hmmm.

 

The question still remains: Is she connecting what her brain sees with the outside world, like the little boy who heard his father, or is her brain just seeing light from the stimulation of electrodes?​

Brain Implant Gives Blind Woman Artificial Vision in Scientific First​

Health27 October 2021
ByCarly Cassella
Brain Implant Gives Blind Woman Artificial Vision in Scientific First
Berna Gomez, wearing glasses to test the prosthesis. (John A. Moran Eye Center at the University of Utah)
A 'visual prosthesis' implanted directly into the brain has allowed a blind woman to perceive two-dimensional shapes and letters for the first time in 16 years.

The US researchers behind this phenomenal advance in optical prostheses have recently published the results of their experiments, presenting findings that could help revolutionize the way we help those without sight see again.



 
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plea
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
Why don't you create another thread on these topics? Pood can join you. He's right up your alley. :giggle:
Nope. Gonna do it right here. You posted spam about your idol's book or whatever, this is another one of the points your idol bullshits about, it's as on topic as the bullshit about "eye lasers".

You came here advertising something you believe in piously. This is literally internet *infidels*. Flensing beliefs is what we do here.

In another thread, I mention a “reincarnation” option that may actually have scientific warrant — Nietzsche’s Eternal Recurrence. His idea is that when you die, you simply live your life over again from the beginning, and these cycles continue forever.

The scientific warrant lies in the Minkowski/Einstein block universe model, wherein all times past, present and future exist in the same way all places in space exist.

In this model, your life is “eternally engraved,” so to say, in the fabric of spacetime, with your boundary conditions your birth and death.

On this account, the whole of us is not located at the present time, but are temporally spread out from our births to our deaths. If this is right, then we have temporal parts, just as we have spatial parts.

All my temporal parts are equally conscious and aware, at the time they exist, which they all subjectively deem the present. As I write this, my temporal parts at all ages are just as conscious, when they are, as I am conscious in my current indexical Now.

One imagines a video game in which some avatar emerges on the left of the screen (birth), flies across the screen (life), and then flies off the right of the screen (death). But as soon as it does that, it immediately re-emerges on the left side of the screen and starts the process over again.

The Eternal Recurrence. You objectively die, but subjectively you are always alive.
 
plea
For any interested, Tom Clark espouses this same “reincarnation without a soul or anything else reincarnating” over at naturalism.org.
OM fuckin God, HE SAID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REINCARNATION. What is it you don't understand POOD? You are so committed to ruining this author that you can't see the forest from the trees! You are the most unobjective person there is when it comes to this discovery because it contravenes what you believe to be true. That is not enough proof to disquality this man.
I know it has nothing to do with reincarnation. Can you please parse the rest of the sentence, or is that too taxing for you? :rolleyes:
I mean, I'm waiting with baited breath? Seriously, I LOVE discussing the secrets of life and death!

I mean im kinda a four-trick pony: metaphysics of simulation, autonomous decision making mechanics, the secrets of life and death, and the process of sensation and experience.

Each of these topics is closely interlinked for me.
Why don't you create another thread on these topics? Pood can join you. He's right up your alley. :giggle:
Nope. Gonna do it right here. You posted spam about your idol's book or whatever, this is another one of the points your idol bullshits about, it's as on topic as the bullshit about "eye lasers".

You came here advertising something you believe in piously. This is literally internet *infidels*. Flensing beliefs is what we do here.

In another thread, I mention a “reincarnation” option that may actually have scientific warrant — Nietzsche’s Eternal Recurrence. His idea is that when you die, you simply live your life over again from the beginning, and these cycles continue forever.

The scientific warrant lies in the Minkowski/Einstein block universe model, wherein all times past, present and future exist in the same way all places in space exist.

In this model, your life is “eternally engraved,” so to say, in the fabric of spacetime, with your boundary conditions your birth and death.

On this account, the whole of us is not located at the present time, but are temporally spread out from our births to our deaths. If this is right, then we have temporal parts, just as we have spatial parts.

All my temporal parts are equally conscious and aware, at the time they exist, which they all subjectively deem the present. As I write this, my temporal parts at all ages are just as conscious, when they are, as I am conscious in my current indexical Now.

One imagines a video game in which some avatar emerges on the left of the screen (birth), flies across the screen (life), and then flies off the right of the screen (death). But as soon as it does that, it immediately re-emerges on the left side of the screen and starts the process over again.

The Eternal Recurrence. You objectively die, but subjectively you are always alive.
So, this is interesting to me. I'm going to describe an idea tangentially related to that.

I am going to assume you (and any other readers) understand what it means for a "field" to be "normal", or at least trust that "any finite sequence can be found in the infinite sequence", or perhaps "semi-normal" in that "any sequence satisfying some particular property or rule can be found..."

Given the lack of preferred reference frame, the idea of relativity implies other things are further ahead than we perceive them gives rise to the idea that while there is a horizon of observation which means stuff beyond it does not matter (yet), there's still stuff out there completely detached and "hypothetical".

The power of this assumption (whether or not it is true) is that this is not true merely forward and back in time, but here or there in the infinitude of space.

If it is probable that at some far flung distance we will find ourselves happening but with a different future before us, what about situations with divergence from such perfection of sameness, but with all the important parts retained?

What about the thing identical but named "poot"? Do you claim him? Would he claim you? What would the requirements be to be subsumed for any period in your shared identity as a group?

Only one of these will be experienced because each one is only implemented where they are... Unless they spawned in the universe in the same locality, and managed to contact one another and start allowing themselves to be subsumed.

In this case it's not just happening at one place in one time.

This in turn gives the concept of the Wheel of Dharma its own vindication when viewed in these terms, not as things an individual carries with them in death to the next life but rather as things a society carries from one instantiation of that individual to the next. Here, enlightenment becomes an act of tending to the impacts of your existence on society to eventually prevent whatever evils create the darkness in you from reaching another generation, so that the next version to be born in this world is something "not this", and you do not return fully to "the wheel".

It means that the pursuit of enlightenment, however, is a group activity achieved through setting down new patterns of behavior and society.

It also explains why some would as soon just say "that's a lot of work, how about we just break the wheel and nobody has to be reborn at all here ever again."

This all just repackages, in semi-religious terms, "be better for the next generation."
 
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