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“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
I asked Pood a question, and he avoided it. He never even addressed it. You can take a shot at the question. Your repetition means very little unless you can show me where we see beauty in light or whether we are conditioned to seeing this beauty. Pick one DBT.
Which question did I “avoid” peacegirl? :unsure:
Scroll back. It’s as clear as day what question you avoided.

Oh? Why don’t you specify it? :unsure:
 
That we see the image from delayed light and therefore we see the past is the present-day take on what is happening, but I still say that there are reasons that made Lessans say they got it wrong.
Which are?

How hard is this for you to understand? When I look at a photo in a book of Abraham Lincoln, I am looking, in the present, at an image from the past.

When I look at a Hubble deep space image of the universe as it was shortly after the big bang, I am looking, in the present, at an image from the past.

When I look at the sun, I am seeing, in the present, an image whose light was generated 8.5 minutes in the past. Therefore I am seeing the sun as it was eight and a half minutes ago.
So, a bit of a quibble, the picture you are seeing IS in the past by like, but by way less than a second.
Yep, that's the theory.
The image was captured of something from the past. The information is definitely *stale*. But the image itself is much more recent.
Huh? So we would not be seeing Columbus discovering America. We would be seeing Obama getting elected if we were on the star Rigel. 😯
The arrangement is an artifact of the past, but it is an artifact of the past that exists in the present...
Nope, no artifacts left over from a previous era.
This still gets you to "the thing you see allows you to know only how things were in the past", however.
Pictures in history books show us what happened in the past, not old light.
Edit: I have no idea how I stepped back some random-ass number of pages in this shit show..
Well, you didn't step back into the past. That's for sure. 😂
. I thought I was replying to a recent bit. Oops. Still keeping the post tho. Though this is a hilarious example of how we can see into the past from artifacts generated in the past.

Edit2: I see now. I followed the link pood posted. LOL.
We can see artifacts in a cat scan, not in light. LOL
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
I asked Pood a question, and he avoided it. He never even addressed it. You can take a shot at the question. Your repetition means very little unless you can show me where we see beauty in light or whether we are conditioned to seeing this beauty. Pick one DBT.
Which question did I “avoid” peacegirl? :unsure:
Scroll back. It’s as clear as day what question you avoided.

Oh? Why don’t you specify it? :unsure:
Show me in detail where he was wrong. This means going over his version of sight and pointing out where he made a mistake. If values like beauty and ugly are not transmitted in light, then there has to be another way they are transmitted. IOW, either certain features are beautiful and ugly intrinsically, which means they are received in the light, or they are due to conditioning in the way Lessans described.
 
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Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
I asked Pood a question, and he avoided it. He never even addressed it. You can take a shot at the question. Your repetition means very little unless you can show me where we see beauty in light or whether we are conditioned to seeing this beauty. Pick one DBT.
Which question did I “avoid” peacegirl? :unsure:
Scroll back. It’s as clear as day what question you avoided.

Oh? Why don’t you specify it? :unsure:
Show me in detail where he was wrong. This means going over his version of sight and pointing out where he made a mistake. If values like beauty and ugly are not transmitted in light, then there has to be another way they are transmitted. IOW, either certain features are beautiful and ugly intrinsically, which means they are received in the light, or they are due to conditioning in the way Lessans described.
:rofl:

I already have shown you, in detail, MANY WAYS where he was DEAD WRONG. Scroll back a little ways and find my link to a post I made MONTHS AGO that listed the MANY different ways he was DEAD WRONG. And that was just a partial list! And as to your second question, your assumptions are total bullshit. The eye IS a sense organ, we do NOT see in real time, and light carries NO images, NO values, nothing at all — it’s just an electromagnetic wave! And no, this does not mean that certain features are beautiful and ugly intrinsically. It just means that people are conditioned to make such evaluations IN THEIR MINDS, and this comes about from how they are raised, what their life circumstances are, etc. Some of it no doubt is due to genetics.

Where in the world you got the idea that light brings “values” to the eyes on the correct scientific account of light and sight is utterly beyond me. Literally NOBODY believes that.
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
I asked Pood a question, and he avoided it. He never even addressed it. You can take a shot at the question. Your repetition means very little unless you can show me where we see beauty in light or whether we are conditioned to seeing this beauty. Pick one DBT.
Which question did I “avoid” peacegirl? :unsure:
Scroll back. It’s as clear as day what question you avoided.

Oh? Why don’t you specify it? :unsure:
Show me in detail where he was wrong. This means going over his version of sight and pointing out where he made a mistake. If values like beauty and ugly are not transmitted in light, then there has to be another way they are transmitted. IOW, either certain features are beautiful and ugly intrinsically, which means they are received in the light, or they are due to conditioning in the way Lessans described.
:rofl:

I already have shown you, in detail, MANY WAYS where he was DEAD WRONG. Scroll back a little ways and find my link to a post I made MONTHS AGO that listed the MANY different ways he was DEAD WRONG.
No, all you’ve ever done is discussed how delayed vision has been proven by many experiments including the moons of Jupiter and the Fizeau wheel. You feel this rules out his observations. You have never answered my question and still aren’t regarding values, and you never showed where he was wrong other than repeating that science got it right.
And that was just a partial list! And as to your second question, your assumptions are total bullshit. The eye IS a sense organ, we do NOT see in real time, and light carries NO images, NO values, nothing at all — it’s just an electromagnetic wave!
Exactly! It doesn’t send information.
And no, this does not mean that certain features are beautiful and ugly intrinsically. It just means that people are conditioned to make such evaluations IN THEIR MINDS,
But this does not explain how this conditioning occurs.
and this comes about from how they are raised, what their life circumstances are, etc. Some of it no doubt is due to genetics.
What do you mean it’s due to genetics? It does have to do with the culture in which we were raised because each culture sees beauty and ugliness differently, but this does not negate how we become conditioned. It supports it.
Where in the world you got the idea that light brings “values” to the eyes on the correct scientific account of light and sight is utterly beyond me. Literally NOBODY believes that.
You still don’t get it. He said that IF values are not transmitted in light, this means that words heard over and over again in relation to certain physiognomies condition us to see what doesn’t actually exist. But people will counter, “But I know this person is beautiful because I see this beauty with my very eyes.” They don’t realize what the brain was able to do. I think you need a refresher course. 🧐
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!


The error has been pointed to. Light has a known speed and before it can be detected by the eye it must be radiated, then it must travel from the source to the eye, be the source a metre away or a million light years, so it cannot possibly be 'at the eye" instantly.
 
Each photon, owing to what creates photons, implies some event happening elsewhere. This implication of an event, from which the event can be inferred (as of the time it happened), is what we call "information"

That information incontrovertibly pertains to one fact: the moment the photon was released, an excited electron traveled the distance of the wavelength from one electron shell to another.

Only certain elements in certain conditions release photons in certain *spectra* because only those elements have electron shells that distance from one another in a gaseous state, and the only way for those transitions to happen is for the stuff to have a certain gradient of energy, or because the electron shells on the surface only have the ability to reflect a limited spectra from a primary body.

One photon says "one emission happened over there".

Many emissions happening "over there" of the same color means there's some stuff that tends to be that color over there.

The majority of information isn't even borne in the individual photons, but in the continued emissions of them.

Making inferences on that set of data is what the brain does.
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!


The error has been pointed to.
It’s not an error DBT.
Light has a known speed and before it can be detected by the eye it must be radiated, then it must travel from the source to the eye, be the source a metre away or a million light years, so it cannot possibly be 'at the eye" instantly.
All of this is true about the properties of light: emission, reflection, refraction etc, but with this one exception. You are still assuming that what we see is light years away when in actuality we are seeing the real thing IF HE WAS RIGHT (I say that so not to piss anyone off) and I believe he was. I think I am beating a dead horse unfortunately. People have been taught from an early age that we see in delayed time and will not accept this alternate view even when I explained how conditioning occurs. We are conditioned by words that are projected but have no reality. He explained how this occurs and why the eyes cannot be sense organs. When I say that, I feel people (in my minds eye lol ) having daggers pointed at me. That’s how entrenched this theory is.

This chapter is not only interesting but can help so many people know that they are not only NOT inferior physiognomically, they are not inferior intellectually, even though we all have different intellectual capacities. This change in our use of words that falsely stratify people into layers of importance will revolutionize how we see each other and how we treat each other. I wish people would read the book instead of show so much resistance. I guarantee it would give them a new perspective on so many things.
 
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Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!


The error has been pointed to.
It’s not an error DBT.
Light has a known speed and before it can be detected by the eye it must be radiated, then it must travel from the source to the eye, be the source a metre away or a million light years, so it cannot possibly be 'at the eye" instantly.
All of this is true about the properties of light: emission, reflection, refraction etc, but with this one exception. You are still assuming that what we see is light years away when in actuality we are seeing the real thing IF HE WAS RIGHT (I say that so not to piss anyone off) and I believe he was. I think I am beating a dead horse unfortunately. People have been taught from an early age that we see in delayed time and will not accept this alternate view even when I explained how conditioning occurs. We are conditioned by words that are projected but have no reality. He explained how this occurs and why the eyes cannot be sense organs. When I say that, I feel people (in my minds eye lol ) having daggers pointed at me. That’s how entrenched this theory is.

This chapter is not only interesting but can help so many people know that they are not only NOT inferior physiognomically, they are not inferior intellectually, even though we all have different intellectual capacities. This change in our use of words that falsely stratify people into layers of importance will revolutionize how we see each other and how we treat each other. I wish people would read the book instead of show so much resistance. I guarantee it would give them a new perspective on so many things.

I'm not assuming.

The stars are in fact light years away. It's called 'light years' because that's the distance it takes light to travel in a year. We don't see the star unless it is radiating light. We see the light that was radiated from the star, which takes x number of light years to get here and be detected by the eye.

Without that light, we do not see the star. There are countless brown dwarfs, etc, that do not radiate enough light for us to see, yet they are there.
 
IF HE WAS RIGHT
HE WAS NOT RIGHT.

Therefore any conclusions reached from the premise that he was, are highly suspect, and completely unsupported.
Then how are we conditioned? Physical, not social, conditioning has to come from somewhere. We don't see beauty and ugliness (not figuratively) from nowhere. We are trained by words to see certain things as more beautiful when in actuality it's just a word without any reality whatsoever. We see differences ONLY. Why don't you try hearing his demonstration before telling me he was not right? Do you even know what made him come to these findings? Maybe I should post it again one last time, although I think this aspect of his work is on its last legs in here. No one even answered me when I asked about the woman who was blind, and they put electrodes in her head. She saw flashes of light that corresponded to the implanted electrodes, but my question was: did this light correspond to something external like the little boy who had electrodes put in his head and he could hear his father speak after the implant was turned on? He was actually hearing something coming from the outside world. No one answered.
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!


The error has been pointed to.
It’s not an error DBT.
Light has a known speed and before it can be detected by the eye it must be radiated, then it must travel from the source to the eye, be the source a metre away or a million light years, so it cannot possibly be 'at the eye" instantly.
All of this is true about the properties of light: emission, reflection, refraction etc, but with this one exception. You are still assuming that what we see is light years away when in actuality we are seeing the real thing IF HE WAS RIGHT (I say that so not to piss anyone off) and I believe he was. I think I am beating a dead horse unfortunately. People have been taught from an early age that we see in delayed time and will not accept this alternate view even when I explained how conditioning occurs. We are conditioned by words that are projected but have no reality. He explained how this occurs and why the eyes cannot be sense organs. When I say that, I feel people (in my minds eye lol ) having daggers pointed at me. That’s how entrenched this theory is.

This chapter is not only interesting but can help so many people know that they are not only NOT inferior physiognomically, they are not inferior intellectually, even though we all have different intellectual capacities. This change in our use of words that falsely stratify people into layers of importance will revolutionize how we see each other and how we treat each other. I wish people would read the book instead of show so much resistance. I guarantee it would give them a new perspective on so many things.

I'm not assuming.

The stars are in fact light years away. It's called 'light years' because that's the distance it takes light to travel in a year. We don't see the star unless it is radiating light. We see the light that was radiated from the star, which takes x number of light years to get here and be detected by the eye.

Without that light, we do not see the star. There are countless brown dwarfs, etc, that do not radiate enough light for us to see, yet they are there.
They are there because our naked eye can see them (i.e., they are bright and large enough to be seen), or we can see them with a telescope, but you believe the telescope sees an image of the real thing. Just bear in mind that circumstantial evidence can look airtight but be wrong. His take on what is occurring is not impossible, and it's not far-fetched. Did you read part of the chapter I posted awhile back? If you didn't, I don't know how you could even come close to understanding his observations and reasoning.
 
It's important to mention that the author used the word God throughout his books but was clear that this word only meant the laws that govern our universe.
He should not have used that word. Some of us are seriously allergic to that word.
 
It's important to mention that the author used the word God throughout his books but was clear that this word only meant the laws that govern our universe.
He should not have used that word. Some of us are seriously allergic to that word.
I know. He meant it to mean the laws that govern our universe. It’s not a religious work, but I think he used it to make it less dry.
 
I know. He meant it to mean the laws that govern our universe. It’s not a religious work, but I think he used it to make it less dry.
It makes the book obnoxious to some. Could you tell me as to how many times I will encounter God in the book?
110 pages in the first book and he has written 6. On the 110th page, the author tells me that he will reveal something in the next book.
It is something like 'Scientology'.
 
I know. He meant it to mean the laws that govern our universe. It’s not a religious work, but I think he used it to make it less dry.
It makes the book obnoxious to some. Could you tell me as to how many times I will encounter God in the book?
Lots but some of it is humorous.
 
Efferent means conducted outward. That word came the closest to what he was trying to explain. If he had found a better word that would have described what he was demonstrating, he would have used it.

Yes, and if he had been wrong about his claims, he would have said so; since he never said he was wrong, he must be right, right? :rolleyes:
It's not the same thing. This is what you're all doing. He had to be wrong because you are right, and there's no way this version of sight is even possible in your eyes. Question: If beautiful and ugly people are not traveling in the light, how do we see these beautiful and ugly features if not for conditioning? And how are we conditioned? Do you see the problem here? It has to be either light is bringing this beauty and ugliness to us, or somehow we are conditioned to seeing this beauty and ugliness as if they existed externally. Let me go over this one more time: Beautiful and ugly features are either traveling in the light (which you admitted and science itself never said this to be true) or we are conditioned somehow to seeing certain features as more beautiful or more ugly than others. Which is it?

He was wrong, not because anyone says so, but because his contention is just not the way brain and the senses work, where the eyes do in fact detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain.
Show me he was wrong. Point to the error. You have failed so far. I asked you a question and you didn’t answer it. Tell me how we see this beauty and ugliness in one’s features if not for conditioning. This is not rocket science but it does give us important clues!


The error has been pointed to.
It’s not an error DBT.
Light has a known speed and before it can be detected by the eye it must be radiated, then it must travel from the source to the eye, be the source a metre away or a million light years, so it cannot possibly be 'at the eye" instantly.
All of this is true about the properties of light: emission, reflection, refraction etc, but with this one exception. You are still assuming that what we see is light years away when in actuality we are seeing the real thing IF HE WAS RIGHT (I say that so not to piss anyone off) and I believe he was. I think I am beating a dead horse unfortunately. People have been taught from an early age that we see in delayed time and will not accept this alternate view even when I explained how conditioning occurs. We are conditioned by words that are projected but have no reality. He explained how this occurs and why the eyes cannot be sense organs. When I say that, I feel people (in my minds eye lol ) having daggers pointed at me. That’s how entrenched this theory is.

This chapter is not only interesting but can help so many people know that they are not only NOT inferior physiognomically, they are not inferior intellectually, even though we all have different intellectual capacities. This change in our use of words that falsely stratify people into layers of importance will revolutionize how we see each other and how we treat each other. I wish people would read the book instead of show so much resistance. I guarantee it would give them a new perspective on so many things.

I'm not assuming.

The stars are in fact light years away. It's called 'light years' because that's the distance it takes light to travel in a year. We don't see the star unless it is radiating light. We see the light that was radiated from the star, which takes x number of light years to get here and be detected by the eye.

Without that light, we do not see the star. There are countless brown dwarfs, etc, that do not radiate enough light for us to see, yet they are there.
They are there because our naked eye can see them (i.e., they are bright and large enough to be seen), or we can see them with a telescope, but you believe the telescope sees an image of the real thing. Just bear in mind that circumstantial evidence can look airtight but be wrong. His take on what is occurring is not impossible, and it's not far-fetched. Did you read part of the chapter I posted awhile back? If you didn't, I don't know how you could even come close to understanding his observations and reasoning.

Our 'naked eye' evolved to detect and absorb light and transmit information to the brain. The reason why we see stars is because they radiate light that the eye can detect and absorb....while objects such as brown dwafs do not radiate enough light tor us to see.
 
I know. He meant it to mean the laws that govern our universe. It’s not a religious work, but I think he used it to make it less dry.
It makes the book obnoxious to some. Could you tell me as to how many times I will encounter God in the book?
110 pages in the first book and he has written 6. On the 110th page, the author tells me that he will reveal something in the next book.
It is something like 'Scientology'.
I know. He meant it to mean the laws that govern our universe. It’s not a religious work, but I think he used it to make it less dry.
It makes the book obnoxious to some. Could you tell me as to how many times I will encounter God in the book?
110 pages in the first book and he has written 6. On the 110th page, the author tells me that he will reveal something in the next book.
It is something like 'Scientology'.
No, it has nothing to do with Scientology.
 
Lots but some of it is humorous.
All humour is lost in 110 x 6 = 660 pages. And the font is not even San Serif.
Firefox tells me that I will encounter God 84 times in the first book. That is too much.
But 128 pages. That is an achievement.
Here are a few sentences with God in them.

Some people may be offended that the word God is used throughout the book and conclude that this is a religious work. Perhaps the ‘G’ word even makes them want to shut down and disconnect from what is being said. This would be unfortunate. As you carefully read the text you will see that the word God (often referred to as ‘He’) is simply a symbol pointing to the laws that govern our universe.

Isn’t it obvious that if such a discovery exists, and it does, and you deny the possibility, you are setting yourselves up as infallible gods among men, just as our intellectual ancestors did when they prematurely rejected the discovery of Gregor Mendel? Can’t you be the ones to confirm the discovery? Must it be others, long after we are dead?

Because this book dares to oppose the three forces that control the thinking of mankind: government, religion, and education—the most dangerous thinking of all, the kind that really doesn’t know the truth, as Socrates observed, but because of some kind of fallacious standard presumes to know—I have found it necessary to resort to this manner of introducing my work in the fervent hope that I can reach those who will be able to extract the pure, unadulterated relations involved before another century passes by or an atomic explosion destroys millions of lives. Now be honest with yourselves; do you really know, or only think you know? If you will admit there is just the slightest possibility that you have not been endowed with the wisdom of God; that you may be wrong regarding many things despite the high opinion you and others hold of yourselves; that the expression the blind leading the blind could even pertain to you; I know this is difficult for you to conceive; I say, if there is the slightest possibility you could be mistaken and you are willing to admit this to yourselves, then I cordially welcome your company aboard; otherwise, you had better not read this book, for my words are not meant for your ears. But should you decide to accompany me on this voyage, I would like to remind you once again that this book is not a religious or philosophical tract attempting some ulterior form of indoctrination; it is purely scientific, as you will see, and should the word ‘God’ seem incongruous, kindly remember Spinoza, and you will understand immediately that it is not. While God is proven to be a mathematical reality as a consequence of becoming conscious of the truth, war and crime are compelled to take leave of the earth.

There is an ironic twist here, for if all evils in our world no longer exist, how happy would certain professions be to know that their services will no longer be needed? Shouldn’t this news make those individuals who have been trying to correct the evil in the world very happy? If the cry of the clergy is ‘Faith in God,’ isn’t it obvious that the priesthood would rather see an end to all sin than to preach against it and shrive the sinners in the confessional? They should be simply thrilled at the miracle God is about to perform, even though it means putting them out of work.

The theologians I contacted, though they admit they pray to God for deliverance from evil also believe it is impossible for man to accomplish this apparent miracle. In a sense they are right because the law that was discovered is equivalent to the law that inheres in the solar system, over which we have no control. Any system of established dogma that is based on a false belief needs to be exposed so that the truth can be revealed. This is much easier said than done because the knowledge of what it means that man’s will is not free was buried deeper than atomic energy and presents problems that are almost insurmountable. Convincing a few people of this truth is one thing; convincing the entire world is something else. Supposing the very people whose understanding it is necessary to reach refuse to examine the facts on the grounds that the discovery could not be valid because it starts out with the premise that man’s will is not free. To show you how confused are those who have been guiding us, a rabbi was told that the author of the book “Decline and Fall of All Evil” has the permanent solution to every problem of human relation, and he replied, “How do we know that God wants us to remove all evil?” Now you tell me, if he is doubtful of this why do all theologians ask God in the Lord’s Prayer to deliver us from evil? Another rabbi criticized me for not attending the synagogue, to which I replied, “Isn’t the reason you go to the Temple due to your faith in God, your belief that one day He will reveal Himself to all mankind?”

The belief in free will was compelled to come about as a corollary of evil for not only was it impossible to hold God responsible for man’s deliberate crimes, but primarily because it was impossible for man to solve his problems without blame and punishment which required the justification of this belief in order to absolve his conscience. Therefore, it was assumed that man did not have to do what he did because he was endowed with a special faculty that allowed him to choose between good and evil. In other words, if you were called upon to pass judgment on someone by sentencing him to death, could you do it if you knew his will was not free? To punish him in any way you would have to believe that he was free to choose another alternative than the one for which he was being judged; that he was not compelled by laws over which he had no control. Man was given no choice but to think this way, and that is why our civilization developed the principle of ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,’ and why my discovery was never found. No one could ever get beyond this point because if man’s will is not free, it becomes absolutely impossible to hold him responsible for anything he does. Well, is it any wonder the solution was never found if it lies beyond this point? How is it possible not to blame people for committing murder, rape, for stealing and the wholesale slaughter of millions? Does this mean that we are supposed to condone these evils, and wouldn’t man become even less responsible if there were no laws of punishment to control his nature? Doesn’t our history show that if something is desired badly enough, he will go to any lengths to satisfy himself, even pounce down on other nations with talons or tons of steel? What is it that prevents the poor from walking into stores and taking what they need if not the fear of punishment? The belief that will is not free strikes at the very heart of our present civilization. Right at this point lies the crux of a problem so difficult of solution that it has kept free will in power since time immemorial.
 
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