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RVonse

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I can assure anyone who might be curious the above article is not fake news and I know this because I work at the illinois plant mentioned.

When it comes to all politicians its really how they act that counts and not what they say. And what Trump just did really can't be spun as anything else but a pure demonstration of direct benefit for US labor. What he just did is what the Democrats used to do for union labor.

So there can be room for some to claim it wrong for our government to be involved with private capitalism. No argument on that. Its just that I can no longer see the point of argument being Trump is an oligarch only interested in big business. Not after seeing what he just did in real life.
 
That's paywalled.

And what might benefit your job comes at a high cost to other Americans--keeping it open almost certainly produces a net loss of US jobs.

I actually think that we probably should keep steel plants open for defense reasons, but not to protect jobs.

And it's symbolic, anyway. This isn't about US labor.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
And what might benefit your job comes at a high cost to other Americans--keeping it open almost certainly produces a net loss of US jobs.
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That would be very difficult to prove. What we can see for sure is the immediate future:

PRO (keeping the plant open)
1) Keeps approximately 3000 labor wage earners from losing their job. Keeping those people alive means they also buy locally to provide an additional knock on effect of 21000 jobs down the line.

2) Keeping this plant open means there is a continuation of tax revenue for Illinois.

3) Property values in the local area stay higher. Less crime to worry about.

4) The United States military directly benefits having an integrated steel plant located on the Mississippi river that can make steel from raw materials. The more profitable electric arc plants can not do that. An integrated mill is more expensive than recycled steel but strategic if supply lines over the road are not open or if recycled steel becomes scarce.

CON (keeping the plant open)
1) Our CEO gets less bonus money due to not maximizing profitability.

2) Its also bad for people like myself who were planning to retire anyway. Because people like myself won't get the normal buy out packages that are always offered before a plant closing.


I would take the pro's over the con's any day and I'm one of the people in the con column.
 
RVonse said:
Loren Pechtel said:
And what might benefit your job comes at a high cost to other Americans--keeping it open almost certainly produces a net loss of US jobs.
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That would be very difficult to prove. What we can see for sure is the immediate future:
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Your list is far from accurate
RVonse said:
PRO (keeping the plant open)
1) Keeps approximately 3000 labor wage earners from losing their job. Keeping those people alive means they also buy locally to provide an additional knock on effect of 21000 jobs down the line.
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You count the jobs saved but ignore the jobs lost due to higher steel prices. Such protectionism always ends up costing more jobs than it saves.

RVonse said:
2) Keeping this plant open means there is a continuation of tax revenue for Illinois.
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Perhaps, but overall there will be a decline.
RVonse said:
3) Property values in the local area stay higher. Less crime to worry about.
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Again, exported problem.
RVonse said:
4) The United States military directly benefits having an integrated steel plant located on the Mississippi river that can make steel from raw materials. The more profitable electric arc plants can not do that. An integrated mill is more expensive than recycled steel but strategic if supply lines over the road are not open or if recycled steel becomes scarce.
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Yes, this is why I think it's the right thing to do. We need to have as much as possible of the defense construction stuff under US control.
RVonse said:
CON (keeping the plant open)
1) Our CEO gets less bonus money due to not maximizing profitability.

2) Its also bad for people like myself who were planning to retire anyway. Because people like myself won't get the normal buy out packages that are always offered before a plant closing.


I would take the pro's over the con's any day and I'm one of the people in the con column.
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The big con is higher steel prices.
 
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