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January 3rd 2027

 
 
 
Elixir said:
Well Derec you can always keep your hopes up.
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Keep my hopes up for what exactly?
Gotta cling to something after this drubbing …
But that wasn’t the subject of the thread.
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The subject of the thread is "I’m interested in y’all’s thoughts on J3." Leadership battles and intra-party backstabbing belongs to that general category.
I don’t really fear a metaphorical genocide of Rethuglicans,
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My post wasn't about any "genocide" of Republicans, but about internecine warfare among Democrats. Several of the newly elected Democrats are already saying that they will not support Schumer and there is a change.org petition to replace both him and Jeffries because they are not left-wing enough.
Looks like ‘Murka all a sudden done got WOKE. So damn woke, that even the croon of your whining can’t put them back to sleep.
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MAGA and WOKE are just two sides of the same fugazi coin. The problem with 11/3 wasn't that MAGA lost, but that WOKE didn't lose as well.
 
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Derec said:
Several of the newly elected Democrats are already saying that they will not support Schumer and there is a change.org petition to replace both him and Jeffries because they are not left-wing enough.
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They're not left wing at all.
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
Not to me. Why do you say that?
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He is a Jew who is pro-Israel. Note that Abdulrahman suggested CvH, who is an opponent of Israel in the Senate.
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The word you used was "hate" that you conveniently edited out of your reply. You know we can see you when you pull crap like that.

You said AES hates Schumer. Your explanation above does not explain your previous statement and I suspect it's really your hatred of Muslims that inspired it and nothing AES said.

 
Derec said:
Patooka said:
They're not left wing at all.
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They are certainly center-left. The DSA cadres and fellow travelers want leaders far more to the left in both House and Senate.
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Oh NOES!!! The Congress people that people voted overwhelmingly for in an election want their goals adopted. Jeez, that never happened before. :rolleyes:
 
ZiprHead said:
Derec said:
Patooka said:
They're not left wing at all.
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They are certainly center-left. The DSA cadres and fellow travelers want leaders far more to the left in both House and Senate.
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Oh NOES! The Congress people that people voted overwhelmingly for in an election want their goals adopted. Jeez, that never happened before. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, the whole reich wing is moaning that there is a revenge campaign to which they are going to be exposed. Oooh nooooes indeed.
THIS, after they heartily endorsed the loudly announced and forcefully promoted “retribution” campaign that involves killing American citizens in the streets …
Fucking asshole hypocrites enabling a fucking asshole.
 
Derec said:
Patooka said:
They're not left wing at all.
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They are certainly center-left. The DSA cadres and fellow travelers want leaders far more to the left in both House and Senate.
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They are centre left in the same sense Russell Brand has a history of being aggressively affectionate. Anywhere else in the world they'd be considered traditionally conservative. And the DSA would be right at home in an FDR or Eisenhower administration.
 
Elixir said:
ZiprHead said:
Derec said:
Patooka said:
They're not left wing at all.
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They are certainly center-left. The DSA cadres and fellow travelers want leaders far more to the left in both House and Senate.
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Oh NOES! The Congress people that people voted overwhelmingly for in an election want their goals adopted. Jeez, that never happened before. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, the whole reich wing is moaning that there is a revenge campaign to which they are going to be exposed. Oooh nooooes indeed.
THIS, after they heartily endorsed the loudly announced and forcefully promoted “retribution” campaign that involves killing American citizens in the streets …
Fucking asshole hypocrites enabling a fucking asshole.
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Not so much hypocrites as propagandists. It doesn't matter what Democrats do in one sense. Republican propagandists will still call them Satanic communist pedophiles, no matter how moderate. With respect to retribution, Hair Furor will leave shit sandwiches everywhere in the government. Democrats will try to fix things in moderate ways and be labeled revengeful and extremist. The propagandists will play victim, put up barriers, and lie their asses off.
 
Patooka said:
They are centre left in the same sense Russell Brand has a history of being aggressively affectionate. Anywhere else in the world they'd be considered traditionally conservative. And the DSA would be right at home in an FDR or Eisenhower administration.
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No, they wouldn't. DSA are proper socialists, not social democrats. They reject "private profit" and support public ownership of the means of production.
 
ZiprHead said:
Oh NOES!!! The Congress people that people voted overwhelmingly for in an election want their goals adopted. Jeez, that never happened before. :rolleyes:
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Most of those races were very close. Hardly an overwhelming mandate for radical change, esp. when coupled with partisan primaries that favor more extreme candidates on both left and right. Especially in crowded fields where for example an Islamist (and associate of the original WTC bombing mastermind) like Adam Hamawy can get nominated with <30% of the primary vote.
 
ZiprHead said:
The word you used was "hate" that you conveniently edited out of your reply. You know we can see you when you pull crap like that.
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There is an ability to edit posts for a reason. I am allowed to reword my replies within an hour.
You said AES hates Schumer. Your explanation above does not explain your previous statement and I suspect it's really your hatred of Muslims that inspired it and nothing AES said.
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AES is an Islamist with MB ties. Even if he denied them during the election, he has been connected to MB-affiliated organizations all his adult life.
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
The word you used was "hate" that you conveniently edited out of your reply. You know we can see you when you pull crap like that.
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There is an ability to edit posts for a reason. I am allowed to reword my replies within an hour.
You said AES hates Schumer. Your explanation above does not explain your previous statement and I suspect it's really your hatred of Muslims that inspired it and nothing AES said.
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AES is an Islamist with MB ties. Even if he denied them during the election, he has been connected to MB-affiliated organizations all his adult life.
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What is reality-driven evidence AES is an Islamist?
 
laughing dog said:
What is reality-driven evidence AES is an Islamist?
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For example, him penning a HuffPo oped and an Arabic language open letter supporting Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
For example, speaking at the Islamist ISNA conference this year.
Going back to college, his leadership in the MSA, which also has MB ties.

That shows a longitudinal ideological commitment to that ideology.
 
Derec said:
laughing dog said:
What is reality-driven evidence AES is an Islamist?
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For example, him penning a HuffPo oped and an Arabic language open letter supporting Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
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Per WaPo:
In 2012, El-Sayed was listed as a signatory on an open letter from Egyptian Americans supporting the “revolutionary decisions taken” by Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, demanding he purge the police and media of holdovers from the dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak and calling on him to clarify that his authority to do so would be temporary.

Morsi was a senior official of the Muslim Brotherhood. He was elected president in 2012, the year after Arab Spring protests forced Mubarak to resign, as the nominee of the Freedom and Justice Party, the brotherhood’s political wing.
“We, as Egyptian Americans, strongly reject these voices that are courting America and Europe to take a position against [Morsi’s] Egyptian regime,” the Egyptian Americans wrote, “and we will stand united in support of the elected President.”
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In a HuffPost piece the year before, El-Sayed urged the United States to support the protesters and argued that fears that the uprising “might throw [the country] to the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood” were overstated.

“Even if the Muslim Brotherhood were to take power,” he said, “there are several reasons why the ensuing state would look nothing like Iran.”
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“Even if the Muslim Brotherhood were to take power,” he said, “there are several reasons why the ensuing state would look nothing like Iran.”
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So, does it???
 
Derec said:
laughing dog said:
What is reality-driven evidence AES is an Islamist?
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For example, him penning a HuffPo oped and an Arabic language open letter supporting Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
For example, speaking at the Islamist ISNA conference this year.
Going back to college, his leadership in the MSA, which also has MB ties.
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We’ve been over this.
His support for the MB in Egypt was within the context of supporting a change from an authoritative repressive regime.
Speaking at a conference does not indicate one is a supporter of the goals or ideology of the conference.
Belonging to a college group that has ties to larger group does not mean one is a supporter or has ties to the larger group.
None of your examples, either individually or taken together, mean he is an Islamist.
Yes, AES is a muslim, but not all Muslims are Islamists.
Derec said:
That shows a longitudinal ideological commitment to that ideology.
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Fear clouds your reason.
 
Derec said:
Elixir said:
So, does it???
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The military put a kibosh on that and MB Morsi was arrested and eventually died in prison.
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Can El Sayed simply be naive and wrong?

Can El Sayed only be supportive of Egyptian self rule through an Islamic theocracy? Is it impossible for El Sayed to have been naive and not knowing better when he was younger ergo dumber?
 
Derec said:
Most of those races were very close. Hardly an overwhelming mandate for radical change
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Lol!
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This looks precisely like an overwhelming mandate for change.
When was the last time YOUR party got anywhere near 57% of ANY National vote, or any vote at all above the level of dog catcher, Derec?
Did you consider it a mandate?
 
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