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14 years for $8 million in food stamp fraud? 0 yrs for billion dollar Medicare fraud

 
 
 
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So Donald Trump made with clemency for a person that was involved in a conspiracy to cash out federal benefits like Food Stamps. $8 million worth. The woman got 14 years! She had served 6 years to this point. Trump says she has paid enough time. And all things being equal, probably that and a bit more.

What they did was wrong, really wrong. And should be punishable with either prison or a better suited public works program designed to stop making us pay for criminals to be punished and have criminals pay back to society.

But that isn't the point. Rick Scott's company paid over $1.8 billion in settlement over Medicare fraud. For those keeping track, $1.8 billion is roughly much much much larger than $8 million. Trump hasn't needed to commute Scott's sentence... there wasn't even a trial! And if not Scott... someone!

Corporations aren't people... we never hold them accountable for their personal actions!
 
Trausti said:
Fraud requires intent; which criminally needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because someone is a CEO of a large company doesn’t mean that person is involved in every ...
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...every little $1,800,000,000 that happens to flow through the shop.

Ya sure ya betcha Trausti. You must be a real high roller.
 
Elixir said:
Trausti said:
Fraud requires intent; which criminally needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because someone is a CEO of a large company doesn’t mean that person is involved in every ...
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...every little $1,800,000,000 that happens to flow through the shop.

Ya sure ya betcha Trausti. You must be a real high roller.
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Sorry, I'm a dumb.
 
Trausti said:
Fraud requires intent; which criminally needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because someone is a CEO of a large company doesn’t mean that person is involved in every transaction. But if fraudulent intent can be proved, the corporate form doesn’t protect you.

Head of New York Medical Clinics Aleksandr Pikus Sentenced to 156 Months in Prison
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Plausible deniability might be reasonable for isolated incidents involving relatively minor sums of money. But to assume that the CEO of the company wasn't aware of wrongdoings to the tune of $1,800,000,000 would stretch the credulity of most independent readers. That sum of money doesn't imply fraud in a few transactions; it suggests a pattern of fraud that existed for an extended period of time, and a culture of dishonesty that was directed from the top.
 
atrib said:
Trausti said:
Fraud requires intent; which criminally needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because someone is a CEO of a large company doesn’t mean that person is involved in every transaction. But if fraudulent intent can be proved, the corporate form doesn’t protect you.

Head of New York Medical Clinics Aleksandr Pikus Sentenced to 156 Months in Prison
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Plausible deniability might be reasonable for isolated incidents involving relatively minor sums of money. But to assume that the CEO of the company wasn't aware of wrongdoings to the tune of $1,800,000,000 would stretch the credulity of most independent readers. That sum of money doesn't imply fraud in a few transactions; it suggests a pattern of fraud that existed for an extended period of time, and a culture of dishonesty that was directed from the top.
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That argument is fine for a civil complaint, but not a criminal charge. I’d simply point out that CEOs and other company officers do go to prison for fraud but their cases mostly do not make the headlines. Thus, the mistaken impression that corporate crooks can get away with it.
 
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