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2023 Off-Season Elections - Live Coverage Thread

Jimmy Higgins

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So, it is America, and that means there is an election somewhere. The highlights that will be decided today:

  • Ohio
    • Will women be allowed to smoke marijuana while getting an abortion?
      • Very likely win for Issue 1 will make abortion very legal in Ohio, as Ohio Republicans attempt to stymie access.
      • Issue 2 pits legalization of marijuana with the... well... currently illegalized status of it. Some care about this, but the abortion issue has taken much of the limelight. It is uncertain how this will go.
  • Kentucky
    • What level of crazy is acceptable for a black Republican running for office?
      • Herschel Walker... too crazy. This new guy? TBD.
  • Mississippi
    • Undue optimism is what should be an easy Republican Governor win.
      • Seriously, some people seem to think having one or two polls within the margin of error means an upset is brewing. Calm the heck down people!
  • Pennsylvania
    • Which party will win the right to wear a robe?
      • Satin, cotton, polyester?
  • Virginia
    • Woman who had legal sex with husband live on website rubbed some people the wrong way... and others the right way. Who'll win control of the state Legislature.
 
[*]Kentucky

[*]What level of crazy is acceptable for a black Republican running for office?
Is it more than the level of crazy acceptable for a black Democrat? Remember Cynthia McKinney?

Herschel Walker... too crazy. This new guy? TBD.
I do not know much about Daniel Cameron. What do you consider crazy about him?
 
In Ohio, abortion and weed are leading in early numbers (~20% counted). In Kentucky, Beshear is leading with 53% counted, but it is tighter (53-47%).
 
Early, but NY Times saying Issue 1 will very likely pass. Right now near 2 to 1 in favor.
 
My God, some good news from this red state. Tomorrow I plan to light up a giant doobie and over the weekend I'll open a family planning surgery in my basement. My staff will even accomodate Repubs, who can enter through my garage/breezeway under assumed names, although they will have to pay a 15% alternate access surcharge.
Seriously, when will this goddamn Republican Party start listening to the voters??? The next step needs to be a state Constitutional amendment to take redistricting totally out of the hands of those whom it benefits -- the legislators. We'll still be a red state, but a little more daylight will get in.
 
Virginia, Democrats now control both houses of the Virginia legislature. Youngkin's right winged legislative agenda is now dead. Anger over abortion played a role in Democratic victory.

Psnnsylvania. Philadelphia elected a Democratic mayor. And a Pennsylvania supreme court election was won by a Democrat giving Democrats a 5 - 2 edge in that court over Republicans.
 
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A couple knobs in Ohio's legislature have already made comments about doing what they can to tweak, stymie, or otherwise impede what has won by about 12-14%.
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Recommend legislative replacement.
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Okay. Hold on to your zealotry. Perhaps we can even overcome a few gerrymandered districts next year.
Both issues passed in Medina. Medina for god's sake!
 
when will this goddamn Republican Party start listening to the voters???
Delicious, ain’t it?
Their superhero has bragged from coast to coast that he is The One who killed Roe v Wade. Now they’re stuck between pleasing he-who-must-be-fellated and being responsive to the electorate. Looks like they’ve chosen door #1 and are suffering the consequences.
 
You know... there are a few takeaways from this.

  • Biden should have a lock on the 2024 election.
    • Arizona will almost certainly have an abortion rights referendum on their ballot.
    • Trump has an incredibly hard road without Arizona.
  • Democrats aren't fucking around with abortion for political gain.
    • Putting abortion on the 2024 General Election in Ohio would have given Biden a shot at Ohio.
    • They didn't do that.
    • Women's rights mattered more than the White House.
  • Democrats need some soul searching!
    • The Democrats have long lost the battle in getting out the opinions.
    • 56% voted for women's rights.
    • They need to figure out how to break through.
      • Yes, this is harder when the GOP lie their asses off in advertising.
  • WTF American voters?!
    • So you elected these GOP asshats into power, but you were against them overturning Roe v Wade?
    • Are you fucking stupid?!
      • Don't answer that.
  • The Pro-Life movement will be heading to SCOTUS to enshrine the protections of life for embryos.
    • This ain't over.
    • They'll also work on attempting to limit access to medications.
 
when will this goddamn Republican Party start listening to the voters???
Delicious, ain’t it?
Their superhero has bragged from coast to coast that he is The One who killed Roe v Wade. Now they’re stuck between pleasing he-who-must-be-fellated and being responsive to the electorate. Looks like they’ve chosen door #1 and are suffering the consequences.
Unfortunately, time has shown that "being responsive to the electorate" is not going to win anytime soon. Cries of "we're not a democracy, we're a republic" will be used to justify further gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter intimidation, and illegal efforts to undermine the results of elections. Because the public face of their dilemma is Trump - a losing proposition - vs moderation, their ideological dilemma is between holding fast to their cherished beliefs (authoritarianism, Christian nationalism, a list of phobias - homo, xeno, etc.) and accepting the truth that most of the electorate is leaving these views in the rear window. I mean, the Cold War ended almost 35 years ago, and at every turn the right in this country is still campaigning full-bore against "radical left wing socialists and communists."

No voter under the age of 35 remembers a time when "international communism" was the existential threat. Many of them were kids when Ellen first came out on TV, and it's not a big deal to them that Heather has two mommies or that Jacob identifies as non-binary and uses the pronouns "they/them." They want to light up a joint or wind down with a gummy, and don't bat an eye when one of their white girl friends introduces her new black boyfriend. This is all terrifying to "traditional conservative values" and expecting the Republicans to embrace change is unrealistic. They can't. Like with the abortion issue, their ideological stance cannot be bargained or reasoned away. They've been so intertwined with the religious right/pro-life movement for so long that they can't just say "welp, this isn't what voters want."

The voters - they figure - must be wrong, so they've got to jigger the districts and rewrite the rules so their outdated policies "win."

Finally (and I've gone on too long again), while these victories are heartening, they can't be taken as proof that "we're winning" so no worries. No, it needs to be emphasized over and over again over the next 12 months by Democrats that in order to win, you have to show up. For every rally Trump holds, have a voter registration drive. For every prayer breakfast, have a voter registration drive. For every bus that Abbott sends to NYC or California filled with immigrants, send a bus filled with voters to the polls. For all the millions they spend trying to overturn results, spend millions on email/social media explaining how mail in voting works. For dog's sake get a Tik Tok account or two and make videos...just make sure the people involved actually understand the audience. Right wingers whine about "participation trophies," but winning in 2024 would be a fantastic participation trophy. You've just gotta participate!
 
The voters - they figure - must be wrong, so they've got to jigger the districts and rewrite the rules so their outdated policies "win."

Yes, they are becoming the Party of “the voters must be wrong”. I can’t see that as a winning stance for more than a single election cycle before the voters reassert their right to disagree with political critters.
 
Here in Seattle the extreme progressive aka aggressive socialist city council has been kicked out. Replaced by what are being called moderate progressives, meaning pro business and pro law enforcement. Pragmatically with the conditions in Seattle candidatess had to mode ate. people are pissed and scared.
Our politicians and activists go by feelings not practical reality. I don't see the replacements as being able to make hard decisions any more than the piecious council.Time will tell.

In my district I had a choice between an incumbent wacky progressive and a more reasoned activist. I chose the lessor of two evils.

Seattle - King County turn out around 25%.
 
Here in Seattle the extreme progressive aka aggressive socialist city council has been kicked out. Replaced by what are being called moderate progressives, meaning pro business and pro law enforcement. Pragmatically with the conditions in Seattle candidatess had to mode ate. people are pissed and scared.
Our politicians and activists go by feelings not practical reality. I don't see the replacements as being able to make hard decisions any more than the piecious council.Time will tell.
I'd say that they had good intentions, and sometimes it doesn't work. We did the "put non-violent drug offenders in jail thing" and that didn't work well either. Managing crime, drug abuse, homelessness isn't easy.
In my district I had a choice between an incumbent wacky progressive and a more reasoned activist. I chose the lessor of two evils.

Seattle - King County turn out around 25%.
Summit County Ohio was over 50%. Of course, Issue 1 was huge!
 
Summit County Ohio was over 50%. Of course, Issue 1 was huge!
The impressive thing was the how the Republicans tried to cheat. They re-worded the text of the issue to say things like “unborn child” instead of “fetus”, and to spin the whole idea as bad. In doing so, they produced a deceptive summary to appear on the ballot, and it wasn’t even a summary; the text they put on the ballots was LONGER than the actual issue text it purported to summarize!
Scumbags.
 
Summit County Ohio was over 50%. Of course, Issue 1 was huge!
The impressive thing was the how the Republicans tried to cheat. They re-worded the text of the issue to say things like “unborn child” instead of “fetus”, and to spin the whole idea as bad. In doing so, they produced a deceptive summary to appear on the ballot, and it wasn’t even a summary; the text they put on the ballots was LONGER than the actual issue text it purported to summarize!
Scumbags.
When I read the language on the ballot (there was a lot), it didn't feel as weighted. And because there is a lot of language, for the average voter TL;DR. I'm not certain anyone didn't know how they were voting walking into the booth. The ads were quite something though. And the alt-right radio was over the top about abortions post birth! But most independent Ohioans don't listen to that garbage.

I do ponder how dangerous the echo chamber is becoming for the right-wing. So many people are against abortion but can't support forcing women to give birth. But in the echo chamber, they are Trumping themselves regarding what the actual threats are and the lies become delusions... which become the reason some fool shoots up a clinic.
 
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