Speakpigeon said:
And I'm still waiting for you to provide the justification by professional specialists for the definition of validity you use.
You are still being irrational, as I have told you many times I will not do that, and it is not proper of you to make such demand, for the reasons repeatedly stated.
Speakpigeon said:
And I'm still waiting for you to provide the justification by professional specialists for the definition of validity you use.
You are still being irrational, as I have told you many times I will not do that, and it is not proper of you to make such demand, for the reasons repeatedly stated.
What reasons?
Either there is such a justification and I don't see why you would not provide it unless you were ignorant of it, or there is no justification.
Either way, not providing the justification is admitting you don't know of such.
You will deny that, of course.
EB
No, what I deny is the rationality of your question.
First, given that the empirical evidence supports the hypothesis that the use of the term "valid" in the sense applicable to deductive arguments relevant in this context is a technical term and there is ample evidence that mathematicians, logicians, and most philosophers use the term in the sense I said, at least in most cases - which you concede -, then that is a justification for the meaning of "valid" being what I said it is, when used by lay people as well.
That is my justification, not that of philosophers, mathematicians, logicians, etc., but instead you keep asking for such a justification. Well, philosophers, mathematicians, logicians, etc., are generally not even interested in arguing that ordinary people are using the technical term in the very few times they say "valid" in the context in question. So, if some of them attempted to address that, I do not know. Nor is this relevant.
Second, even you provided a definition of "valid" that you considered to be a good one, and it turned out to be a technical definition as well - which you denied.
Now, I agreed to assess whether the arguments (these ones or the ones in the other thread) were valid under the definition
that you provided, but then, you went on to repeatedly ignore my points about the arguments and - worse -
told me
"If you're interested in logical arguments, please start your own thread.", when I was, as a matter of fact, using the definition of logical validity
provided by you to debunk (once again) your
false claim that "
And a conclusion and its negation cannot both follow." - a claim you have repeatedly failed to retract, despite the fact that it has been shown repeatedly that it is false, even by your own chosen definition of validity.
So, you keep ignoring points that debunk some of your claims, ignoring the justification for the meaning that I provide, ignoring even the definition of validity chosen by yourself when you realize that it is no longer convenient, and keep making an improper demand.
Third, it gets even worse: when I do start my own thread, instead of addressing the matters at hand, you derail it by repeating your irrational question, and by repeatingly failing to address the questions in the OP. Not only do you refuse to participate in a debate addressing the OP despite your posting here, but you will not let go on a question that is irrational in either thread, and also derailing in this one.
Fourth, on top of all of that, after you failed to address my arguments in the other thread about the validity of the argument whose validity you asked in the OP and even on the basis of the
definition that you provided, and after you told me to start my own thread, you
changed the subject again, by coming up with
more definitions of validity, making them broad by appealing to a definition of "Argument" which was obviously not relevant to the matter at hand. In fact, you said
Speakpigeon said:
Argument
An argument is a statement or set of statements that you use in order to try to convince people that your opinion about something is correct.
Obviously, it would be absurd of you to say "Mathematical logic, as it is recognised by most mathematicians today as the standard method of logical calculus, says the argument is valid.", since mathematical logic is not in the business of talking about the "validity" of any "argument" defined as above - and neither has the concept of validity intuitively used by mathematicians, which does not require the formalism of mathematical logic anything to do with that definition.
Your behavior is not highly irrational, even if you fail to realize that - but you ought to realize that.