A generational ultimatum What if left-leaning white women held their wombs for ransom?

[LordKiran]

So here's a crazy idea I thought of while in the shower

What if there was a concerted national effort by white women to hold their bodies for ransom against the republican voters and politicians pledging to not have white children until their social demands are met? After all who wants to rear children in a society not conducive to birthing and rearing children? If anything such pledgees would instead opt to adopt if at all, this notion would be based on a number of axioms:

1. Whites on the right tend towards caring about the fate of "The white race" and tend to consider their white/British/greater Germanic heritage to be on some level important to their American identity.

2. Whites on the left tend not to be bothered by the fate of "The white race" and tend not to consider their race/ethnicity to be particularly important to their identity as Americans. To them, one american is as good as any other regardless.

3. This disparity in values and priorities can be used as political leverage in the form of an ultimatum "Give me what I want or else..."

What would such an ultimatum result in? Would the right capitulate or would they take more drastic measures? How would such a movement affect the relations and power dynamics between the sexes at large?

EDIT To be clear, I'm not advocating for this, but it is interesting to think about these sorts of things.

 

[repoman]

I should post this on /pol/ and see if there is any good feedback.

I think that Chinese women should do the same in China.

 

[LordKiran]

I should post this on /pol/ and see if there is any good feedback.

I think that Chinese women should do the same in China.

Oh I'm sure they would just love you for it lol.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If people on the left could organize themselves in such a fashion and be willing to commit to whatever cause and goal they’re going for, there would be no need for this type of action.

 

[repoman]

 

[LordKiran]

If people on the left could organize themselves in such a fashion and be willing to commit to whatever cause and goal they’re going for, there would be no need for this type of action.

Dunno. You probably wouldn't need even a majority of them on board for this ultimatum to have a noticeable effect. Perhaps enough to pressure repubs into caving.

This is really more of an extension on my thoughts of the white supremacist's continued comedy of errors. For people that claim to care so much about the future of whites in America they sure don't act the part in whom they vote for.

For some reason they think the solution to saving the white race is by removing others rather than just incentivizing women to have more children. As it stands whites are still a large majority across america so any such incentives/subsidies would still benefit whites more than others.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So here's a crazy idea I thought of while in the shower

What if there was a concerted national effort by white women to hold their bodies for ransom against the republican voters and politicians pledging to not have white children until their social demands are met?

The far right would claim that the protesters were being racist in an effort to battle racism. Cries of hypocrisy.

Then, rather than change what they're doing, which would be 'negotiating with terrorists,' they'd try to legislate so that the protesters couldn't do anything.
Make interracial adoption more difficult, make birth control more difficult to acquire, tell each other that X% of abortions in this country are performed by protesting white women who mistakenly conceived a white child, so we need to make abortions more difficult to access...

 

[dismal]

I think we know how this turns out:

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[Tom Sawyer]

If people on the left could organize themselves in such a fashion and be willing to commit to whatever cause and goal they’re going for, there would be no need for this type of action.

Dunno. You probably wouldn't need even a majority of them on board for this ultimatum to have a noticeable effect. Perhaps enough to pressure repubs into caving.

This is really more of an extension on my thoughts of the white supremacist's continued comedy of errors. For people that claim to care so much about the future of whites in America they sure don't act the part in whom they vote for.

For some reason they think the solution to saving the white race is by removing others rather than just incentivizing women to have more children. As it stands whites are still a large majority across america so any such incentives/subsidies would still benefit whites more than others.

If you could get a large enough group of left wingers organized enough to make some sort of a difference in your country, you wouldn't need Republicans to cave because it doesn't matter if the political party which always finishes in a distant second place caves or not.

The demonstration of a large enough bloc of left wingers to create a noticeable effect becoming a thing would render Republicans and their ideas irrelevant because they'd simply be outvoted and their positions would have as much influence on the national scene as Ron Paul's campaign platform.

The problem is that left wingers are apathetic bitches who can't even muster up the energy to vote when Donald Trump is the opposing candidate. They can't organize and if they could, there are far simpler and more straightforward uses of that organization than this overly complex strategy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So here's a crazy idea I thought of while in the shower

What if there was a concerted national effort by white women to hold their bodies for ransom against the republican voters and politicians pledging to not have white children until their social demands are met?

Is this making light of rape as a form of warfare, just swinging it from rape to dilute the ethnic gene pool, to being a consensual plan?

 

[LordKiran]

So here's a crazy idea I thought of while in the shower

What if there was a concerted national effort by white women to hold their bodies for ransom against the republican voters and politicians pledging to not have white children until their social demands are met?

Is this making light of rape as a form of warfare, just swinging it from rape to dilute the ethnic gene pool, to being a consensual plan?

No, its an acknowledgement of the most basic social interaction between two equals.

"I have something you want, this is what I want for it."

 

[Keith&Co.]

No, it's just fear mongering, pretty standard Republican tactics.

People who don't really care about the demographics of the future nation playing on the fear some whites have of the nation treating them as they've been treating others all this time.

Of course, with that, we don't really need to organize the Left. just get Oprah to TELL the world that this is what we're doing. The Right would believe it, exactly because it plays on their white-genocide fears, and they'd rather yell at each other about it than check birth rates...

 

[LordKiran]

If people on the left could organize themselves in such a fashion and be willing to commit to whatever cause and goal they’re going for, there would be no need for this type of action.

Dunno. You probably wouldn't need even a majority of them on board for this ultimatum to have a noticeable effect. Perhaps enough to pressure repubs into caving.

This is really more of an extension on my thoughts of the white supremacist's continued comedy of errors. For people that claim to care so much about the future of whites in America they sure don't act the part in whom they vote for.

For some reason they think the solution to saving the white race is by removing others rather than just incentivizing women to have more children. As it stands whites are still a large majority across america so any such incentives/subsidies would still benefit whites more than others.

If you could get a large enough group of left wingers organized enough to make some sort of a difference in your country, you wouldn't need Republicans to cave because it doesn't matter if the political party which always finishes in a distant second place caves or not.

The demonstration of a large enough bloc of left wingers to create a noticeable effect becoming a thing would render Republicans and their ideas irrelevant because they'd simply be outvoted and their positions would have as much influence on the national scene as Ron Paul's campaign platform.

The problem is that left wingers are apathetic bitches who can't even muster up the energy to vote when Donald Trump is the opposing candidate. They can't organize and if they could, there are far simpler and more straightforward uses of that organization than this overly complex strategy.

But the republicans are who's in power now, this second. Typically such people are not amicable towards socially-minded platforms. The advantages of the suggested ultimatum is that it in theory wouldn't require large-scale organization as it only targets a very defined demographic for participation. It could conceivably be handled as a SM campaign. The difficulties with such campaigns is it is hard to get the unmotivated masses to get up and take time out of their day to go and do something. This ultimatum literally requires you to do nothing. The most you would need would be some type of funding organization willing to subsidize abortions and birth control in the face of continued crackdowns.

So I guess really this comes down to whether it is easier to ask certain women to not have children potentially out of spite(a powerful motivator) for their political opposition than it would be to ask everyone to demonstrate and take time out of their schedules not working or socializing to take part in the system? Ultimatums are powerful, they leave the giver feeling in a position of control which can be gratifying to the right person.

If anything I would say the real downfall of these ideas is that in the aftermath it would leave a poor taste in a lot of people's mouths and would in the long run only serve to divide the country further leading to further destabilization.

 

[LordKiran]

No, it's just fear mongering, pretty standard Republican tactics.

People who don't really care about the demographics of the future nation playing on the fear some whites have of the nation treating them as they've been treating others all this time.

Of course, with that, we don't really need to organize the Left. just get Oprah to TELL the world that this is what we're doing. The Right would believe it, exactly because it plays on their white-genocide fears, and they'd rather yell at each other about it than check birth rates...

Hmm this is true. Though if not Oprah (my understanding is she appeals to mostly older women who already have children anyway) who would be the stand in?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If you could get a large enough group of left wingers organized enough to make some sort of a difference in your country, you wouldn't need Republicans to cave because it doesn't matter if the political party which always finishes in a distant second place caves or not.

The demonstration of a large enough bloc of left wingers to create a noticeable effect becoming a thing would render Republicans and their ideas irrelevant because they'd simply be outvoted and their positions would have as much influence on the national scene as Ron Paul's campaign platform.

The problem is that left wingers are apathetic bitches who can't even muster up the energy to vote when Donald Trump is the opposing candidate. They can't organize and if they could, there are far simpler and more straightforward uses of that organization than this overly complex strategy.

But the republicans are who's in power now, this second. Typically such people are not amicable towards socially-minded platforms. The advantages of the suggested ultimatum is that it in theory wouldn't require large-scale organization as it only targets a very defined demographic for participation. It could conceivably be handled as a SM campaign. The difficulties with such campaigns is it is hard to get the unmotivated masses to get up and take time out of their day to go and do something. This ultimatum literally requires you to do nothing. The most you would need would be some type of funding organization willing to subsidize abortions and birth control in the face of continued crackdowns.

So I guess really this comes down to whether it is easier to ask certain women to not have children potentially out of spite(a powerful motivator) for their political opposition than it would be to ask everyone to demonstrate and take time out of their schedules not working or socializing to take part in the system? Ultimatums are powerful, they leave the giver feeling in a position of control which can be gratifying to the right person.

If anything I would say the real downfall of these ideas is that in the aftermath it would leave a poor taste in a lot of people's mouths and would in the long run only serve to divide the country further leading to further destabilization.

So, you also want Republican voters, who's entire thing is specifically voting against their own self interest to change their positions because their current stance would have them voting against their own self-interest?

The majority of them would happily stand there and laugh while the planet blew up if they felt that exploding planet would piss off some liberals.

 

[LordKiran]

If you could get a large enough group of left wingers organized enough to make some sort of a difference in your country, you wouldn't need Republicans to cave because it doesn't matter if the political party which always finishes in a distant second place caves or not.

The demonstration of a large enough bloc of left wingers to create a noticeable effect becoming a thing would render Republicans and their ideas irrelevant because they'd simply be outvoted and their positions would have as much influence on the national scene as Ron Paul's campaign platform.

The problem is that left wingers are apathetic bitches who can't even muster up the energy to vote when Donald Trump is the opposing candidate. They can't organize and if they could, there are far simpler and more straightforward uses of that organization than this overly complex strategy.

But the republicans are who's in power now, this second. Typically such people are not amicable towards socially-minded platforms. The advantages of the suggested ultimatum is that it in theory wouldn't require large-scale organization as it only targets a very defined demographic for participation. It could conceivably be handled as a SM campaign. The difficulties with such campaigns is it is hard to get the unmotivated masses to get up and take time out of their day to go and do something. This ultimatum literally requires you to do nothing. The most you would need would be some type of funding organization willing to subsidize abortions and birth control in the face of continued crackdowns.

So I guess really this comes down to whether it is easier to ask certain women to not have children potentially out of spite(a powerful motivator) for their political opposition than it would be to ask everyone to demonstrate and take time out of their schedules not working or socializing to take part in the system? Ultimatums are powerful, they leave the giver feeling in a position of control which can be gratifying to the right person.

If anything I would say the real downfall of these ideas is that in the aftermath it would leave a poor taste in a lot of people's mouths and would in the long run only serve to divide the country further leading to further destabilization.

So, you also want Republican voters, who's entire thing is specifically voting against their own self interest to change their positions because their current stance would have them voting against their own self-interest?

The majority of them would happily stand there and laugh while the planet blew up if they felt that exploding planet would piss off some liberals.

I don't think so. I think a lot of people on the right have so much of themselves invested into their ethnic identity at this point that they can't accept an alternative America where their 'race' becomes a minority in the land they think is their ethnic right. Of course this will happen no matter what they do because of their short sighted navel gazing. Even if you introduced legislation that disproportionately benefited whites over others in terms of birth rates, they would still resent it for giving something to people who aren't white. They would burn the house down not to piss you or I off, but to insure that no matter what, their clan will own the cinders.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I just think you have an inordinate amount of unjustified faith in the ability of the racist far right to act in what they would consider to be their own rational self-interest if doing so meant that a liberal would be able to claim a victory.

However, your plan would lead to a lot of people feeling that they have a justification to rape white women and turn them into sex slaves, so it does increase the amount of evil in the world and, as a white male, I cannot take too strong a stand against that.

 

[LordKiran]

I just think you have an inordinate amount of unjustified faith in the ability of the racist far right to act in what they would consider to be their own rational self-interest if doing so meant that a liberal would be able to claim a victory.

However, your plan would lead to a lot of people feeling that they have a justification to rape white women and turn them into sex slaves, so it does increase the amount of evil in the world and, as a white male, I cannot take too strong a stand against that.

Yeah you're probably right.

 

[repoman]

This is fascinating stuff

 

[LordKiran]

This is fascinating stuff

That'ssss one word for it...