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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/03/30/3640392/another-day-another-aramark-food-mishap/

Two weeks ago Progress Michigan uncovered emails revealing that a prison food provider served cakes nibbled on by rats to inmates. They’ve now discovered that employees from this same food vendor, Aramark, served inmates at another facility an equally unsavory meal: garbage.

In an email exchange between the company’s general manager, Sigfried Linder, and the state’s Department of Corrections, Linder admitted that prisoners at Saginaw Correctional Facility were served food that was previously thrown in the trash. “Mr. Chisolm discarded the left-overs from the line before the last half unit was in the chow hall. He then realized that there were more inmates to serve so he rinsed them off, reheated them in the oven and instructed the inmates to serve them,” read one email. “They refused, so he and Miss Gibson proceeded to serve them to the remaining inmates.”

The privately contracted food vendor, which services “healthcare institutions, universities and school districts, stadiums and arenas, and businesses in 22 countries around the world,” has come under fire for serving contaminated food and engaging in gross misconduct in prison facilities statewide. After maggots and fly larvae were found near a meal-serving line, at least 150 inmates were quarantined for symptoms characteristic of the flu. One inmate sued the company for serving spoiled meat and moldy bread. In other instances, the company breached contract by simply failing to provide enough food.

I'm sure Aramark would do much better without meddlesome government regulation forcing it to serve food from the trash to its customers.
 
You actually use the phrase "meddlesome government regulation" to describe this story, as if it is somehow related in some abstract undefined way to a free market ideology.

Serving food in a prison.

A lush government contract.

Calling the inmates "customers".

Um...

At least the original article calls it 'contracted' instead of 'privatized.'
 
You actually use the phrase "meddlesome government regulation" to describe this story, as if it is somehow related in some abstract undefined way to a free market ideology.
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Free-market ideology, as commonly interpreted, states that is wrong for governments to do anything that seems like regulating businesses. Even in cases of gross misconduct, its advocates say "The market will provide", just like a religious believer saying "God will provide".
 
Two weeks ago Progress Michigan uncovered emails revealing that a prison food provider served cakes nibbled on by rats to inmates. They’ve now discovered that employees from this same food vendor, Aramark, served inmates at another facility an equally unsavory meal: garbage.
The expression "captive consumers" springs to mind.
 
I pass by that facility nearly every day on my way out to MBS Airport. Maybe I'll stop and check out the dumpster for lunch. :sick001:
 
You actually use the phrase "meddlesome government regulation" to describe this story, as if it is somehow related in some abstract undefined way to a free market ideology.
(irrelevant issues snipped)

Free-market ideology, as commonly interpreted, states that is wrong for governments to do anything that seems like regulating businesses. Even in cases of gross misconduct, its advocates say "The market will provide", just like a religious believer saying "God will provide".

I wonder what your comment has to do with the topic of this thread, which is food service in a jail.
 
If this upsets you I do not recommend talking to anyone who ever worked in a restaurant as a teenager about stuff that happened there.
 
If this upsets you I do not recommend talking to anyone who ever worked in a restaurant as a teenager about stuff that happened there.

Sounds like we need to pass a law for government to regulate the food services industry - these free markets exploiting teenage slave labor are clearly running amok.
 
If this upsets you I do not recommend talking to anyone who ever worked in a restaurant as a teenager about stuff that happened there.

Sounds like we need to pass a law for government to regulate the food services industry - these free markets exploiting teenage slave labor are clearly running amok.

I believe government has yet come up with the law that can make kitchen workers give a crap.

But maybe they could post signs in the bathroom requiring it.
 
Sounds like we need to pass a law for government to regulate the food services industry - these free markets exploiting teenage slave labor are clearly running amok.

I believe government has yet come up with the law that can make kitchen workers give a crap.

But maybe they could post signs in the bathroom requiring it.

I'm afraid the only solution is to have government inspectors stationed in every kitchen and every bathroom to make sure things are on the up and up.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/03/30/3640392/another-day-another-aramark-food-mishap/

Two weeks ago Progress Michigan uncovered emails revealing that a prison food provider served cakes nibbled on by rats to inmates. They’ve now discovered that employees from this same food vendor, Aramark, served inmates at another facility an equally unsavory meal: garbage.

In an email exchange between the company’s general manager, Sigfried Linder, and the state’s Department of Corrections, Linder admitted that prisoners at Saginaw Correctional Facility were served food that was previously thrown in the trash. “Mr. Chisolm discarded the left-overs from the line before the last half unit was in the chow hall. He then realized that there were more inmates to serve so he rinsed them off, reheated them in the oven and instructed the inmates to serve them,” read one email. “They refused, so he and Miss Gibson proceeded to serve them to the remaining inmates.”

The privately contracted food vendor, which services “healthcare institutions, universities and school districts, stadiums and arenas, and businesses in 22 countries around the world,” has come under fire for serving contaminated food and engaging in gross misconduct in prison facilities statewide. After maggots and fly larvae were found near a meal-serving line, at least 150 inmates were quarantined for symptoms characteristic of the flu. One inmate sued the company for serving spoiled meat and moldy bread. In other instances, the company breached contract by simply failing to provide enough food.

I'm sure Aramark would do much better without meddlesome government regulation forcing it to serve food from the trash to its customers.

It's such a shame that there are no government workers at the Saginaw Correctional Facility. These selfless individuals not driven by greed and profit would be able to cure all the ills of the free market run amok in this prison.
 
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Free-market ideology, as commonly interpreted, states that is wrong for governments to do anything that seems like regulating businesses. Even in cases of gross misconduct, its advocates say "The market will provide", just like a religious believer saying "God will provide".

I wonder what your comment has to do with the topic of this thread, which is food service in a jail.

The fact that it is in jail is irrelevant. The gross misconduct amounting to immoral disregard for people's safety was caused solely by greedy private profit motive of the contracting corporation. It is a example among countless others of the fact that profit motive is incompatible with human decency and ethics and that community level (i.e. government) oversight, restrictions, and punishments is essential to restrain the inherent harm that profit motive will cause to communities if left unregulated. Profit motive only checks itself when unethical acts are likely to harm profits, which is only a fraction of the time given that much of the harm goes undetected or unattributable, and corporations ability to just rename and rebrand "guilty" subsidiaries.

The fact that this corporate greed occurred within the context of prisons is the main reason why their culpability was discovered.
 
C'mon Ron, if these prisoners didn't like Aramark food they could have just got their food from a different vendor or gone to a different jail.
 
I wonder what your comment has to do with the topic of this thread, which is food service in a jail.

The fact that it is in jail is irrelevant. The gross misconduct amounting to immoral disregard for people's safety was caused solely by greedy private profit motive of the contracting corporation. It is a example among countless others of the fact that profit motive is incompatible with human decency and ethics and that community level (i.e. government) oversight, restrictions, and punishments is essential to restrain the inherent harm that profit motive will cause to communities if left unregulated. Profit motive only checks itself when unethical acts are likely to harm profits, which is only a fraction of the time given that much of the harm goes undetected or unattributable, and corporations ability to just rename and rebrand "guilty" subsidiaries.

The fact that this corporate greed occurred within the context of prisons is the main reason why their culpability was discovered.

Sounds like it was lazy workers not greedy corporate executives.

I doubt the executives of Aramark spend a lot of time in prison kitchens.
 
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In other instances, the company breached contract by simply failing to provide enough food.

Sounds like management to me, unless they have lineworkers calling in the food orders . . . which would still be a management issue.
 
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In other instances, the company breached contract by simply failing to provide enough food.

Sounds like management to me, unless they have lineworkers calling in the food orders . . . which would still be a management issue.

“Mr. Chisolm discarded the left-overs from the line before the last half unit was in the chow hall. He then realized that there were more inmates to serve so he rinsed them off, reheated them in the oven and instructed the inmates to serve them,” read one email. “They refused, so he and Miss Gibson proceeded to serve them to the remaining inmates.”

You think Mr. Chisolm and Miss Gibson are greedy executives?

Chisolm is VP of Cleaning up Leftovers in Prison Kitchens and Gibson is EVP of Serving Meals to Inmates?
 
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In other instances, the company breached contract by simply failing to provide enough food.

Sounds like management to me, unless they have lineworkers calling in the food orders . . . which would still be a management issue.

Not to mention most of the other infractions are ultimately rooted in corporate greed, including but not limited to the greed that makes them hire low wage employees who are more likely to engage in such actions, not to mention to on site decision makers are those who prove themselves to only consider corporate profits.
 
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Sounds like management to me, unless they have lineworkers calling in the food orders . . . which would still be a management issue.

“Mr. Chisolm discarded the left-overs from the line before the last half unit was in the chow hall. He then realized that there were more inmates to serve so he rinsed them off, reheated them in the oven and instructed the inmates to serve them,” read one email. “They refused, so he and Miss Gibson proceeded to serve them to the remaining inmates.”

You think Mr. Chisolm and Miss Gibson are greedy executives?

Chisolm is VP of Cleaning up Leftovers in Prison Kitchens and Gibson is EVP of Serving Meals to Inmates?
Since mr. chisholm was instructing line workers it sounds like he's in management to me.

tl;dr yes
 
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