And yet, the religious persist in doing it.
Of course! That's what it's all about. If Jehovah God exists, as I believe he does, he isn't threatened by science. Science is something he would expect man to use to fill and subdue the Earth. Therefore God isn't a threat to science, ideology is. That's why this exchange is pointless outside of an ideological fixation or sociopolitical frustration. A sort of class struggle that really has little to nothing to do with God, the Bible, religion or science. It's all about the power. That's why "the religious" i.e. science and religious ideology - is only two sides of the same coin. It isn't about religion or science.
It's an admission that science is either the same as religion or being abused simply for atheistic ideological propaganda.
It's the other way around.
Yes. It's both ways.
It's an admission by religion that science can now answer questions that religions thought were safely unanswerable, and that they therefore could attribute to "god did it".
It's the same thing. Ideology doesn't care about answers. It's all bullshit from both sides. It gets you nowhere and you know it. Aside from your typically human need to blame someone else for your problems, both of you are beating a dead horse. Both could be shown every step of the way where they are full of shit but they would never care of give it a thought. It's not about answers, truth, or reality. Etc.
Religions tried to deny science as part of their religious propaganda, and got schooled. Then they claimed that science was just another religion. They were (and are) flat out wrong on that count.
I don't think so. Religion invented science. If God doesn't exist atheists invented theism. If God does exist his true believers aren't the ones who are threatened by science and so of course either way (exists or doesn't) he isn't a threat to your science.
You don't fight oppression with yogurt. You fight fire with fire. If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
You're not being oppressed; You're being told that you are wrong, because you are wrong.
I'm certainly not being oppressed, that was just an example. I was going to use law but that doesn't really work. To fight religion with science is counterproductive to science and religion. But it doesn't matter, because it's just a dog and pony show anyway. I'm certainly not bothered by science or religion. The latter more offensive to me than the former. You just have to see me as "the enemy." The "them" vs. "you." First ideological fixation becomes a part of you, then you must defend it no matter what.
If you don't like being wrong, your only viable option is to learn. Learn some facts, or learn to like being wrong.
I both hate and love being wrong. But when it comes to science I believe it doesn't test the supernatural, it isn't an ideology, it is only abused by ideologues the same as God, the Bible, religion. I know science isn't a threat to the creator and so should be allowed, in fact strongly encouraged to thrive. So I know that religion is corruptible and science is as well. But I don't care about either. I used to hate religion and scoff at science but I no longer do that. It's silliness.
It's disappointing, but not surprising, to see that many people pick the latter.
Help, help, I'm being oppressed! See now the violence inherent in the system!
Yeah, but I'm no part of the system as Jesus was no part of the system. Science and religion are both parts of the system. At least ideologically. The need for power. It doesn't matter if it's laundry detergent, God, money, Democracy, or science.
If science is important to you it's corruption through, among other things, ideology, has resulted in your having become your own enemy just as certainly as was done with religion.
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