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Altanta Braves GM: advice to interns - "Don't worry about the money"! Good advice?

 
 
 
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It was a slow news days yesterday when Atlanta Braves GM John Coppolella offered the following advice to would be young people wanting to break into his industry:

"Look for internships. Don't worry about the money. Work hard & don't have expectations beyond being part of a team. Assume nothing."

This was a twitter interview. So he may have been a little more cryptic that what he intended. But I thought that this was excellent advice. However, his comments came under considerable heat!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves...ers-dont-worry-about-the-money-203459462.html

What's your take?
 
Responses are the typical reactionary stuff without trying to consider the core of the message or giving the benefit of the doubt.

The resistance probably comes from the growing trend of unpaid internships, which are basically slave labour, but in general I agree with his message. In today's world internships and co-ops are a very good way to gain the requisite experience to enter the working world. When you get an internship, you're essentially acquiring the skills to make money in the future, so it's not a time you should be worried about making a lot of money.
 
Some people are highly averse to reality. They rage when it intrudes.

Obviously if you want to break into a job that hundreds of people would do for free you should hold out for 50k plus immediate vesting in a pension plan.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
It was a slow news days yesterday when Atlanta Braves GM John Coppolella offered the following advice to would be young people wanting to break into his industry:

"Look for internships. Don't worry about the money. Work hard & don't have expectations beyond being part of a team. Assume nothing."

This was a twitter interview. So he may have been a little more cryptic that what he intended. But I thought that this was excellent advice. However, his comments came under considerable heat!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves...ers-dont-worry-about-the-money-203459462.html

What's your take?
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Internships are far more about getting work experience than about making money.
 
If you provide value you should be paid for it. Internship or not,
 
This is just like when everyone got all pissed off at the Southernors for teaching farming and housecleaning skills to their black interns. It's valuable job training they should have been thankful was provided.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
rousseau said:
Agreed. Unpaid internships shouldn't be a thing.
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If a person is willing to gamble and work as an unpaid intern in the job field of his dreams, why should we stop him/her?
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If a person is willing to gamble with their life and work at a dangerous job without safety equipment, why should we stop them? If a person is willing to work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, for the same money they were hired to work 40 hours a week, why should we stop them?

We live in an enlightened age when government protection of blue collar workers seems an obvious thing. It wasn't always that way. There was a time when employers were allowed to make "take it or leave it" deals with workers.

There's no reason a white collar worker should not have the same rights as the guy driving a forklift in the warehouse.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
rousseau said:
Agreed. Unpaid internships shouldn't be a thing.
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If a person is willing to gamble and work as an unpaid intern in the job field of his dreams, why should we stop him/her?
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Because of a race to the bottom. Once there is too high of a supply of labour, we'll have people competing to scrape gum off of the floor for nothing, just by virtue of the number of unemployed people. Meaning corporations have so much power that they don't actually have to pay people to do work for them. Does that sound like something you'd want for your community?

Employing a person to do valuable work should by default require pay, unless the employee is adding no value to the organization.
 
Bronzeage said:
Harry_Bosch said:
If a person is willing to gamble and work as an unpaid intern in the job field of his dreams, why should we stop him/her?
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If a person is willing to gamble with their life and work at a dangerous job without safety equipment, why should we stop them? If a person is willing to work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, for the same money they were hired to work 40 hours a week, why should we stop them?

We live in an enlightened age when government protection of blue collar workers seems an obvious thing. It wasn't always that way. There was a time when employers were allowed to make "take it or leave it" deals with workers.

There's no reason a white collar worker should not have the same rights as the guy driving a forklift in the warehouse.
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You would classify a marketing job with the Atlanta Braves as a blue collar job?
 
Harry_Bosch said:
Bronzeage said:
If a person is willing to gamble with their life and work at a dangerous job without safety equipment, why should we stop them? If a person is willing to work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, for the same money they were hired to work 40 hours a week, why should we stop them?

We live in an enlightened age when government protection of blue collar workers seems an obvious thing. It wasn't always that way. There was a time when employers were allowed to make "take it or leave it" deals with workers.

There's no reason a white collar worker should not have the same rights as the guy driving a forklift in the warehouse.
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You would classify a marketing job with the Atlanta Braves as a blue collar job?
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Did I say it was? I don't think so. I said white collar and blue collar workers should have the same rights.

No labor board in the nation would allow an employer to put someone on their crew, for no pay, because they were going to learn how high to stack crates before they fall over.
 
Bronzeage said:
Harry_Bosch said:
You would classify a marketing job with the Atlanta Braves as a blue collar job?
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Did I say it was? I don't think so. I said white collar and blue collar workers should have the same rights.

No labor board in the nation would allow an employer to put someone on their crew, for no pay, because they were going to learn how high to stack crates before they fall over.
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Well, with respect, you didn't read the link. This post is about how a college intern type person could crack into a white collar type position where there is no formal job posting.
 
rousseau said:
Harry_Bosch said:
If a person is willing to gamble and work as an unpaid intern in the job field of his dreams, why should we stop him/her?
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Because of a race to the bottom. Once there is too high of a supply of labour, we'll have people competing to scrape gum off of the floor for nothing, just by virtue of the number of unemployed people. Meaning corporations have so much power that they don't actually have to pay people to do work for them. Does that sound like something you'd want for your community?

Employing a person to do valuable work should by default require pay, unless the employee is adding no value to the organization.
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It's fascinating people can actually believe crap like that when reality is all about them contradicting it.
 
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