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An honest question for liberals. Why is Russia such a big deal but the bilderberg meeting is "nothing to worry about"?

The big deal is if any Americans conspired with Russia to influence the election.

That the Russians did interfere or attempt to do so is also a story, but not huge.
 
Not that I'm technically a "liberal"...
Since Trumps inauguration, all we see on main stream media is the Russia dog and pony show led by our democrats. And this is a big dog and pony show like we have not seen since the republicans went after Clinton's blow job. Apparently, someone, somewhere might have had a secret conversation with Putin with regards to telling the truth about Hillary. Such a secret conversation with a foreign country must be very bad and so the government must investigate before any real work in congress gets done:<noise>
Why do you think the Congressional Critters are on full stop while legitimate investigations proceed? Did the house not pass a "health care" bill? Did the Senate not approve a new SC nominee and a thousand Don the Con administration officials? Both houses also had to pass a budget to get thru the rest of the fiscal 2017 starting on 30 April. And they are still on the hook to deal with the silly debt ceiling that they can never agree upon, as the Treasury Dept. is now juggling the books to keep all the debt balls in play. Additionally, why would you expect a Congress that with a 97% retention rate to change its habits?

Now come the Bilderberg's who are setting up the secret meeting of and for the corporate globalists. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/bilderberg-trump-administration-secret-meeting
Trump will be in attendance and nothing said during this meeting will be available to our supposedly free and open society. No press allowed and no minutes taken. This meeting is so secret that the Bilderberg's are freaked out about someone possibly seeing lips move through the windows. So they are planting trees to hide the windows of the building.
Lots of people everywhere have private meetings between private parties, so what?

So why is Russia such a big deal but a secret meeting with the corporate elites is "no big deal"?
You want our government run like a private party? I don't. I especially don't want a Presidential office in waiting, that starts making international plays while there is still a sitting President doing his job as head of nation. And if Russia subverted players in the administration, or if said players violated various laws, I'd want reasonable suspicions to be investigated. This is a far bigger concern that sex lives and Benghazi.
 
Since Trumps inauguration, all we see on main stream media is the Russia dog and pony show led by our democrats. And this is a big dog and pony show like we have not seen since the republicans went after Clinton's blow job. Apparently, someone, somewhere might have had a secret conversation with Putin with regards to telling the truth about Hillary. Such a secret conversation with a foreign country must be very bad and so the government must investigate before any real work in congress gets done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F0Hv9TUrfs&feature=youtu.be

Now come the Bilderberg's who are setting up the secret meeting of and for the corporate globalists. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/bilderberg-trump-administration-secret-meeting
Trump will be in attendance and nothing said during this meeting will be available to our supposedly free and open society. No press allowed and no minutes taken. This meeting is so secret that the Bilderberg's are freaked out about someone possibly seeing lips move through the windows. So they are planting trees to hide the windows of the building.

So why is Russia such a big deal but a secret meeting with the corporate elites is "no big deal"?

It's because liberals have conspired to distract you from the Bildeberg meeting, which itself is only a distraction from the Bohemian Grove. Don't fall for it, stay woke.
 
Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

Also, there's this:

Mr Dodson told Boston radio station WBUR: "This is the journalist in me, I said 'What are you using to pay for these courses?' And he (Donald Trump) just sort of tossed off that he had access to $100 million.

"So when I got in the cart with Eric, as we were setting off I said, 'Eric, who’s funding? I know no banks, because of the recession, the Great Recession, have touched a golf course. You know, no one’s funding any kind of golf construction. It’s dead in the water the last four or five years.'"

Mr Dodson claimed Eric Trump then told him: "Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programmes. We just go there all the time."

And this:

In 2008, Donald Trump Jr. attended a real estate conference, where he stated that

"Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

As it turns out, that may have been an understatement. Human rights lawyer Scott Horton, whose work in the region goes back to defending Andrei Sakharov and other Soviet dissidents, has gone through a series of studies by the Financial Times to show how funds from Russian crime lords bailed Trump out after yet anther bankruptcy. The conclusions are stark.

Among the powerful facts that DNI missed were a series of very deep studies published in the [Financial Times] that examined the structure and history of several major Trump real estate projects from the last decade—the period after his seventh bankruptcy and the cancellation of all his bank lines of credit. ...

The money to build these projects flowed almost entirely from Russian sources. In other words, after his business crashed, Trump was floated and made to appear to operate a successful business enterprise through the infusion of hundreds in millions of cash from dark Russian sources.

He was their man.

The Bilderberg Meetings are business as usual. The POTUS being in Russia's pocket isn't.
 
Since Trumps inauguration, all we see on main stream media is the Russia dog and pony show led by our democrats. And this is a big dog and pony show like we have not seen since the republicans went after Clinton's blow job. Apparently, someone, somewhere might have had a secret conversation with Putin with regards to telling the truth about Hillary. Such a secret conversation with a foreign country must be very bad and so the government must investigate before any real work in congress gets done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F0Hv9TUrfs&feature=youtu.be
I'm not quite sure what to make of this comment. The concern is not just among Democrats or liberals, but also among independents and even many Republicans. Generally speaking, the only people who seem to think we should be looking the other way are conservative Republicans. So framing it as a "question for liberals" seems like nothing more than an attempt to marginalize the broad spectrum of public interest in whether the current President and/or his campaign team committed actual treason. Clinton's sex scandal almost got him removed from office, but nobody was talking about treason. Clinton arguably did try to obstruct justice when he perjured himself, but there was no broad consensus that his behavior rose to the level of an impeachable offense. It is bad enough that a Russian military intelligence operation managed to have such a noticeable impact on our presidential election, but collusion between Trump and that hostile power is a clear impeachable offense. Whether or not Republicans are willing to have a debate on impeachment (and the consensus seems to be that they are not), most do understand that. This is a very uncomfortable issue for them.

Now come the Bilderberg's who are setting up the secret meeting of and for the corporate globalists. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/bilderberg-trump-administration-secret-meeting
Trump will be in attendance and nothing said during this meeting will be available to our supposedly free and open society. No press allowed and no minutes taken. This meeting is so secret that the Bilderberg's are freaked out about someone possibly seeing lips move through the windows. So they are planting trees to hide the windows of the building.

So why is Russia such a big deal but a secret meeting with the corporate elites is "no big deal"?
This question is a good example of a rhetorical technique known as  whataboutism:

Whataboutism is a propaganda technique first used by the Soviet Union, in its dealings with the Western world. When Cold War criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world. It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy), a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

The Bilderberg meeting is just another meeting of power brokers to discuss international relations. There have been many like it in the past, and there will be many more in the future. However, there is no overt indication that such a meeting will involve criminal behavior. There are criminal investigations underway into the behavior of the Russians and Trump campaign officials. I think that that is the story that interests most people.
 
The Bilderbergers ( Bilderberg Group) are those who attend certain meetings, meetings named after a hotel that hosted the first one in 1954. Those meetings have their home page: Bilderberg Meetings | The official website. From that page:
Since its inaugural meeting in 1954, Bilderberg has been an annual forum for informal discussions, designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. Every year, between 120-150 political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media are invited to take part in the meeting. About two thirds of the participants come from Europe and the rest from North America; one third from politics and government and the rest from other fields. The meeting is a forum for informal discussions about megatrends and major issues facing the world. The meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which states that participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s) nor of any other participant may be revealed. Thanks to the private nature of the meeting, the participants are not bound by the conventions of their office or by pre-agreed positions. As such, they can take time to listen, reflect and gather insights. There is no detailed agenda, no resolutions are proposed, no votes are taken, and no policy statements are issued.
So to call it some left-wing plot is absurd.
 
Since people don't really know who the liberals are in this country, they never appear in the corporate media, here is what a real liberal thinks of the Russian involvement in the US election.

??? So it's fine to be ruled by a president who seems to be a puppet of a foreign government? Fine to not follow the Logan Act? Liberals generally favor transparent doner political contributions and heavy regulation of campaign finance. But it's okay to have a foreign government bribing our officals? And everything is under the table? That's okay with "liberals"?

Trump is a loose cannon with no rudder and no plans. He watches FOX news and reads nothing.

If he appears to be a Russian puppet it is just sheer chance.

Wait a week.

I think the question for liberals is where do you spend political capital.

Protecting the environment for example is far more important than trying to prove Trump is a puppet and doing more than trying to ease US Russian tensions.
 
Protecting the environment for example is far more important than trying to prove Trump is a puppet and doing more than trying to ease US Russian tensions.

Pretty much the entire United States is onboard, the only people causing a stink are the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately they have a lot of influence.
 
Protecting the environment for example is far more important than trying to prove Trump is a puppet and doing more than trying to ease US Russian tensions.

Pretty much the entire United States is onboard, the only people causing a stink are the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately they have a lot of influence.

Trump is far more a puppet of these industries and other corporate entities than the Russians.
 
Pretty much the entire United States is onboard, the only people causing a stink are the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately they have a lot of influence.

Trump is far more a puppet of these industries and other corporate entities than the Russians.

Yes, Trump is a puppet of whoever he's trying to impress. It was the Russians recently, but anyone that's rich and powerful will fit the bill.
 
Protecting the environment for example is far more important than trying to prove Trump is a puppet and doing more than trying to ease US Russian tensions.

Pretty much the entire United States is onboard, the only people causing a stink are the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately they have a lot of influence.

Let's not impugn the entire fossil fuel industry for Trumpublican policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-paris-climate-deal-as-trump-weighs-pact-exit
 
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