Another bombing

[dismal]

In another thread in which some appeared to be arguing Muslims (which are 2-3% of the population in North American and Western Europe) were not any more likely to commit terrorist acts then others, I offered the following proposition:

For all bomb attacks on crowds in the US, Canada and Western Europe:

- If the bomber is not a Muslim I give you $100.
- If the bomber is a Muslim you give me $4000.

Seems fair. Even in your favor since the point of this thread is Muslims are even less likely than average to be terrorists.

https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?11377-TERROR-TERROR-come-here-come-all/page2

Though I do not recall anyone actually having enough confidence in their beliefs to take this bet, I created this thread so you can at least enjoy rubbing it in my face every time a non-muslim sets off a bomb in a crowd.

 

[dismal]

Brussels Central Station attack suspect was Moroccan

Brussels, Belgium (CNN)A man who detonated a suitcase at Brussels Central Station in a failed terror attack has been identified as a Moroccan national in his 30s, a spokesman for the Belgium prosecutor's office said Wednesday.

Soldiers on patrol at the station shot the man dead as he ran toward them shouting, "Allahu Akbar," spokesman Eric Van Der Sypt said, giving the most detailed account yet from Belgian authorities of what happened Tuesday night.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/europe/brussels-train-station-attack/index.html

Muslims 1, Non-muslims 0.

 

[untermensche]

The US went over to Iraq for no good reason and disrupted the lives of millions of Muslims. It bombed at will. It dragged innocent people out of their homes in front of their families and tortured them by the hundreds.

Bremer had the brilliant idea to separate neighborhoods by sect. Then we begin to see sectarian violence we had not seen in centuries. Which in the midst of a violent occupation spirals out of control.

From all of this ISIS arises. It's top military leadership was former Iraqi military officers that Bremer also put out of work. Many of it's weapons were the vast amounts of weapons the US left. It's recruits the remnants of the lives who were somehow damaged by US deliberate violence.

And ISIS, the problem caused by the US attack, is still with us. It is killing people all over the place. It is organizing and supplying terrorist attacks in Europe and probably the US.

The bombings we see today by Muslims are certainly something to oppose.

But what most needs to be opposed and controlled in this world is US violence. Continual daily violence, but also the large scale violence it carries out all the time too.

 

[LordKiran]

Is now a good time to tell you that your bet makes no sense with regards to how you're using it as a rhetorical divice? If the idea is that the odds are in favor of a muslim committing the next bombing or whatever then the money on offer should reflect this.

 

[dismal]

The US went over to Iraq for no good reason and disrupted the lives of millions of Muslims. It bombed at will. It dragged innocent people out of their homes in front of their families and tortured them by the hundreds.

Bremer had the brilliant idea to separate neighborhoods by sect. Then we begin to see sectarian violence we had not seen in centuries. Which in the midst of a violent occupation spirals out of control.

From all of this ISIS arises. It's top military leadership was former Iraqi military officers that Bremer also put out of work. Many of it's weapons were the vast amounts of weapons the US left. It's recruits the remnants of the lives who were somehow damaged by US deliberate violence.

And ISIS, the problem caused by the US attack, is still with us. It is killing people all over the place. It is organizing and supplying terrorist attacks in Europe and probably the US.

The bombings we see today by Muslims are certainly something to oppose.

But what most needs to be opposed and controlled in this world is US violence. Continual daily violence, but also the large scale violence it carries out all the time too.

OK, I get your theory: The US bombed Iraq so it logically and inevitably follows that, um, Morroccans will bomb Belgian train stations.

But this thread is less about why and more about who is and isn't more likely to set off a bomb in a crowd.

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Is now a good time to tell you that your bet makes no sense with regards to how you're using it as a rhetorical divice? If the idea is that the odds are in favor of a muslim committing the next bombing or whatever then the money on offer should reflect this.

No, the theory embraced by some was that Muslims are no more likely than anyone else to be terrorists. So the odds reflect the percent of Muslims in the population.

 

[LordKiran]

The US went over to Iraq for no good reason and disrupted the lives of millions of Muslims. It bombed at will. It dragged innocent people out of their homes in front of their families and tortured them by the hundreds.

Bremer had the brilliant idea to separate neighborhoods by sect. Then we begin to see sectarian violence we had not seen in centuries. Which in the midst of a violent occupation spirals out of control.

From all of this ISIS arises. It's top military leadership was former Iraqi military officers that Bremer also put out of work. Many of it's weapons were the vast amounts of weapons the US left. It's recruits the remnants of the lives who were somehow damaged by US deliberate violence.

And ISIS, the problem caused by the US attack, is still with us. It is killing people all over the place. It is organizing and supplying terrorist attacks in Europe and probably the US.

The bombings we see today by Muslims are certainly something to oppose.

But what most needs to be opposed and controlled in this world is US violence. Continual daily violence, but also the large scale violence it carries out all the time too.

OK, I get your theory: The US bombed Iraq so it logically and inevitably follows that, um, Morroccans will bomb Belgian train stations.

But this thread is less about why and more about who is and isn't more likely to set off a bomb in a crowd.

It does if you have any understanding how groups like ISIS function.

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OK, I get your theory: The US bombed Iraq so it logically and inevitably follows that, um, Morroccans will bomb Belgian train stations.

But this thread is less about why and more about who is and isn't more likely to set off a bomb in a crowd.

- - - Updated - - -

Is now a good time to tell you that your bet makes no sense with regards to how you're using it as a rhetorical divice? If the idea is that the odds are in favor of a muslim committing the next bombing or whatever then the money on offer should reflect this.

No, the theory embraced by some was that Muslims are no more likely than anyone else to be terrorists. So the odds reflect the percent of Muslims in the population.

Nevermind misread. Anyway historically that is actually correct as far as the US is concerned if you go back over the last 100 years of American history.

 

[untermensche]

OK, I get your theory: The US bombed Iraq so it logically and inevitably follows that, um, Morroccans will bomb Belgian train stations.

But this thread is less about why and more about who is and isn't more likely to set off a bomb in a crowd.

It has radicalized the Muslim world.

These bombings have historical and societal causes.

It is the height of ignorance to claim some religion is the major factor.

Assaults on the Muslim world and support of the Saudi dictatorship have radicalized the Muslim world. It is reacting to massive and violent oppression from stronger external forces.

An Iraqi Perspective: How America’s Destruction of Iraqi Society Led to Today’s Chaos

http://billmoyers.com/2014/06/20/an-iraqi-perspective-how-americas-destruction-of-iraqi-society-led-to-todays-chaos/

The Myth of Sectarian Violence in Iraq

http://www.alternet.org/story/73103/the_myth_of_sectarian_violence_in_iraq

 

[dismal]

If that's the case, then the odds should be 50/50. Dismal do you know how numbers work?

Wow.

You get that Muslims are 2-3% of the population in Western Europe and North America?

For simplicity let's use 2.5%. Given that, if I put the names of all the people in Western Europe/US/Canada in a hat and pulled out a name, what are the odds that person would be a muslim?

 

[dismal]

OK, I get your theory: The US bombed Iraq so it logically and inevitably follows that, um, Morroccans will bomb Belgian train stations.

But this thread is less about why and more about who is and isn't more likely to set off a bomb in a crowd.

It has radicalized the Muslim world.

These bombings have historical and societal causes.

It is the height of ignorance to claim some religion is the major factor.

Assaults on the Muslim world and support of the Saudi dictatorship have radicalized the Muslim world. It is reacting to massive and violent oppression from stronger external forces.

I understand you have a theory that you think explains why Muslims are more likely to be bombers. Not the topic here.

 

[LordKiran]

If that's the case, then the odds should be 50/50. Dismal do you know how numbers work?

Wow.

You get that Muslims are 2-3% of the population in Western Europe and North America?

For simplicity let's use 2.5%. Given that, if I put the names of all the people in Western Europe/US/Canada in a hat and pulled out a name, what are the odds that person would be a muslim?

Misread and already corrected my post. Try and keep up.

 

[untermensche]

It has radicalized the Muslim world.

These bombings have historical and societal causes.

It is the height of ignorance to claim some religion is the major factor.

Assaults on the Muslim world and support of the Saudi dictatorship have radicalized the Muslim world. It is reacting to massive and violent oppression from stronger external forces.

I understand you have a theory that you think explains why Muslims are more likely to be bombers. Not the topic here.

I have historical evidence showing massive previous violence aimed at innocent Muslims. Terrorism on it's largest scale possible.

Concentration on what happens after massive violence like this is to focus on triviality.

You want me to focus on tiny crimes and ignore massive crimes.

Something only a dissembler wishes for.

 

[dismal]

Wow.

You get that Muslims are 2-3% of the population in Western Europe and North America?

For simplicity let's use 2.5%. Given that, if I put the names of all the people in Western Europe/US/Canada in a hat and pulled out a name, what are the odds that person would be a muslim?

Misread and already corrected my post. Try and keep up.

I kept up fast enough to preserve your gem of a post.

Tip: If you're going to go around insulting people's math ability, try not to fuck up math while doing it. Ignorant and asshole is a bad combination.

 

[LordKiran]

Misread and already corrected my post. Try and keep up.

I kept up fast enough to preserve your gem of a post.

Tip: If you're going to go around insulting people's math ability, try not to fuck up math while doing it. Ignorant and asshole is a bad combination.

That's fine, now are you actually going to respond or just dick around over bullshit?

 

[dismal]

I kept up fast enough to preserve your gem of a post.

Tip: If you're going to go around insulting people's math ability, try not to fuck up math while doing it. Ignorant and asshole is a bad combination.

That's fine, now are you actually going to respond or just dick around over bullshit?

I did respond. If Muslims are 2.5% of the population in Western Europe/Canada/US this is equivalent to being 1-in-40 of the people. If Muslims are no more or less likely to be a bomber than anyone else they should set off 1-in-40 bombs.

The odds I set out reflect this.

 

[LordKiran]

That's fine, now are you actually going to respond or just dick around over bullshit?

I did respond. If Muslims are 2.5% of the population in Western Europe/Canada/US this is equivalent to being 1-in-40 of the people. If Muslims are no more or less likely to be a bomber than anyone else they should set off 1-in-40 bombs.

The odds I set out reflect this.

And since we've already established that I misread your post and so altered mine to bring something of actual substance you can respond to that.

 

[untermensche]

That's fine, now are you actually going to respond or just dick around over bullshit?

I did respond. If Muslims are 2.5% of the population in Western Europe/Canada/US this is equivalent to being 1-in-40 of the people. If Muslims are no more or less likely to be a bomber than anyone else they should set off 1-in-40 bombs.

The odds I set out reflect this.

Are all Muslims the same thing in your equations?

Do the vast majority of Muslims represent greater than a 0% chance of bombing anyone?

What percentage of total Muslims are likely to bomb somebody?

 

[Derec]

The US went over to Iraq for no good reason and disrupted the lives of millions of Muslims.

Morocco is Iraq? There is like 2500 miles between the two countries!

 

[TSwizzle]

Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel vowed Wednesday that terrorists would not intimidate Belgium, saying: "We want to defend our liberty." The country will remain at threat level 3, meaning the threat is serious but an imminent attack is not likely, he said.
A concert by the band Coldplay at the King Baudouin Stadium will go ahead Wednesday night as planned, with additional security measures, Michel said.

The Belgian authorities should arrest Chris Martin for his crimes against music.

 

[LordKiran]

The US went over to Iraq for no good reason and disrupted the lives of millions of Muslims.

Morocco is Iraq? There is like 2500 miles between the two countries!

ISIS has a branch in Algiers, which borders Morocco. It's not inconceivable that some Moroccans get involved somehow.

 

[dismal]

I did respond. If Muslims are 2.5% of the population in Western Europe/Canada/US this is equivalent to being 1-in-40 of the people. If Muslims are no more or less likely to be a bomber than anyone else they should set off 1-in-40 bombs.

The odds I set out reflect this.

And since we've already established that I misread your post and so altered mine to bring something of actual substance you can respond to that.

Respond to what? All you have done in this thread is make personal attacks while wrongly attacking my math. I feel as if I've responded to both already.