Another Campus Sexual Assault Issue

[ZiprHead]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2016/04/29/byu-sexual-assault-accusers-cabrera-pkg.cnn/video/playlists/controversy-on-campus/

 

[laughing dog]

And some people wonder why rape victims do not immediately report the assault.

 

[J842P]

Is there a link to a written article instead of a video?

 

[laughing dog]

Is there a link to a written article instead of a video?

Here is a NY Times article - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/us/rape-victims-brigham-young-university-honor-code-suspensions.html

 

[Loren Pechtel]

While I do agree they're being heavy-handed this seems like a hit piece by the reporters.

Only once do we get the details of what happened--the school has a problem with her doing hallucinogenic drugs. I wouldn't be one bit surprised at that landing her in hot water with a place like BYU.

I also note the woman saying that there's no need for a study, it's obvious. Sorry, but it's-so-obvious-you-don't-need-a-study usually means it's not much of a issue.

Now, for actual blame I'll point at the police department--rape reports should be kept as confidential as possible. Somebody's ass should be fired over the information about the drugs getting to BYU's honor committee.

 

[RavenSky]

And some people wonder why rape victims do not immediately report the assault.

Madi says she was raped by a man she invited into her off-campus apartment in September of 2015. She says she never invited him into her bedroom – where he raped her.

Police documents say the alleged rapist later admitted to Madi, over the phone, that he raped her.

The man was charged with rape. The judge said there was enough evidence for his case to go to trial.

Later, Madi learned that a friend of the suspect took the police report to BYU honor code office – that’s how they became aware of the alleged rape. Now she had a criminal trial and an honor code investigation to worry about.

“It creates a totally hostile environment. It makes it feel like victims can’t come forward,” said Madi who feels like the school is, in effect, blaming her for her rape.

http://wqad.com/2016/04/30/byu-stud...and-was-told-she-violated-schools-honor-code/

seriously

 

[bigfield]

Only once do we get the details of what happened--the school has a problem with her doing hallucinogenic drugs. I wouldn't be one bit surprised at that landing her in hot water with a place like BYU.

“But after Brooke, 20, told the university that a fellow student had raped her at his apartment in February 2014, she said the Honor Code became a tool to punish her. She had taken LSD that night, and also told the university about an earlier sexual encounter with the same student that she said had been coerced. Four months after reporting the assault, she received a letter from the associate dean of students.

You are being suspended from Brigham Young University because of your violation of the Honor Code including continued illegal drug use and consensual sex, effective immediately,” the letter read.

They also suspended her for having consensual sex.

It's ironic that you bitch about lack of detail and then immediately skim over such an important detail.

 

[laughing dog]

While I do agree they're being heavy-handed this seems like a hit piece by the reporters.

If you had bothered to actually read the linked article, you'd have come across the case of a Ms. Barney. She did not report her sexual assault to BYU. Her accused assailant had a copy of the criminal charge sent to BYU by a 3rd party. BYU did sanction her as a student for a violation of its "honor code".

It is exactly these type of bullshit responses by institutions that make some women reluctant to report sexual assaults.

 

[J842P]

While I do agree they're being heavy-handed this seems like a hit piece by the reporters.

If you had bothered to actually read the linked article, you'd have come across the case of a Ms. Barney. She did not report her sexual assault to BYU. Her accused assailant had a copy of the criminal charge sent to BYU by a 3rd party. BYU did sanction her as a student for a violation of its "honor code".

It is exactly these type of bullshit responses by institutions that make some women reluctant to report sexual assaults.

It's BYU. They care more about preventing substance use and unmarried sex than they care about prevent rape. It's horrible, but is anyone really surprise that Brigham - fucking -Young University is a profoundly immoral institution?

 

[prideandfall]

It is exactly these type of bullshit responses by institutions that make some women reluctant to report sexual assaults.

if there's any reports of an actual university or real institution of higher education doing shit like this (actively punishing women who report sexual assault for incidental infractions that happened during the assault) i'd like to know about so i can get engulfed in the fire of righteous fury at how fucked up that is.

but... this is a fucking mormon cult 'school' so i don't know what else anyone would think would happen in a nutjob factory like this.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

“But after Brooke, 20, told the university that a fellow student had raped her at his apartment in February 2014, she said the Honor Code became a tool to punish her. She had taken LSD that night, and also told the university about an earlier sexual encounter with the same student that she said had been coerced. Four months after reporting the assault, she received a letter from the associate dean of students.

You are being suspended from Brigham Young University because of your violation of the Honor Code including continued illegal drug use and consensual sex, effective immediately,” the letter read.

They also suspended her for having consensual sex.

It's ironic that you bitch about lack of detail and then immediately skim over such an important detail.

Doesn't mean they would have suspended her only for the sex.

Besides, the real issue is the university getting the police report.

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While I do agree they're being heavy-handed this seems like a hit piece by the reporters.

If you had bothered to actually read the linked article, you'd have come across the case of a Ms. Barney. She did not report her sexual assault to BYU. Her accused assailant had a copy of the criminal charge sent to BYU by a 3rd party. BYU did sanction her as a student for a violation of its "honor code".

It is exactly these type of bullshit responses by institutions that make some women reluctant to report sexual assaults.

If you had bothered to actually understand what I was saying you're pointing out the very part of the situation that I have a big problem with.

 

[laughing dog]

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If you had bothered to actually understand what I was saying you're pointing out the very part of the situation that I have a big problem with.

If you had bothered to read with even 1st grade comprehension levels, you'd understand why both of your replies miss the point.

 

[J842P]

They also suspended her for having consensual sex.

It's ironic that you bitch about lack of detail and then immediately skim over such an important detail.

Doesn't mean they would have suspended her only for the sex.

Besides, the real issue is the university getting the police report.

- - - Updated - - -

While I do agree they're being heavy-handed this seems like a hit piece by the reporters.

If you had bothered to actually read the linked article, you'd have come across the case of a Ms. Barney. She did not report her sexual assault to BYU. Her accused assailant had a copy of the criminal charge sent to BYU by a 3rd party. BYU did sanction her as a student for a violation of its "honor code".

It is exactly these type of bullshit responses by institutions that make some women reluctant to report sexual assaults.

If you had bothered to actually understand what I was saying you're pointing out the very part of the situation that I have a big problem with.

BYU is infamous for suspending people for having sex.

 

[bigfield]

They also suspended her for having consensual sex.

It's ironic that you bitch about lack of detail and then immediately skim over such an important detail.

Doesn't mean they would have suspended her only for the sex.

If that were true, then there would absolutely no reason for BYU to ever mention the suspendee's sex life at all.

Maybe you can explain what you think the university would have done to a student for only having consensual sex.

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[TD="align: center"]Student does not take illicit drugs
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[TD="align: center"]Student does not have consensual sex
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[TD="align: center"]BYU takes no action against the student
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[TD="align: center"]Student has consensual sex
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[laughing dog]

Another question specific to BYU is how are they finding out about consensual sex when a report of RAPE comes to their attention? Hmmmm.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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If you had bothered to actually understand what I was saying you're pointing out the very part of the situation that I have a big problem with.

If you had bothered to read with even 1st grade comprehension levels, you'd understand why both of your replies miss the point.

Still refusing to address the point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another question specific to BYU is how are they finding out about consensual sex when a report of RAPE comes to their attention? Hmmmm.

Obviously the police shared the information in the rape report--which is the part of this story I have a big problem with.

 

[laughing dog]

If you had bothered to read with even 1st grade comprehension levels, you'd understand why both of your replies miss the point.

Still refusing to address the point.

Instead of admitting it, why not simply address the point.

 

[laughing dog]

Another question specific to BYU is how are they finding out about consensual sex when a report of RAPE comes to their attention? Hmmmm.

Obviously the police shared the information in the rape report--which is the part of this story I have a big problem with.

Either have someone who graduated middle school read the article and explain it to you or have a middle school graduate watch the OP video and explain it to you: there are multiple incidents of BYU rape victims receiving discipline for consensual sex.