Another Muslim Ruining the "White Race"?

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

(CNN)Iran's sole female Olympic medalist, Kimia Alizadeh, has announced that she's permanently left her country for Europe.

"Let me start with a greeting, a farewell or condolences," the 21-year-old wrote in an Instagram post explaining why she was defecting. "I am one of the millions of oppressed women in Iran who they have been playing with for years."

Alizadeh became the first Iranian woman to win an Olympic medal after claiming bronze in the 57kg category of Taekwondo at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

Affectionately known in Iran as "The Tsunami," Alizadeh announced she was leaving her birth country amid searing criticism of the regime in Tehran.

"They took me wherever they wanted. I wore whatever they said. Every sentence they ordered me to say, I repeated. Whenever they saw fit, they exploited me," she wrote, adding that credit for her success always went to those in charge.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/middleeast/iran-kimia-alizadeh-defects/index.html

For or against her "economic migration?"

 

[Harry Bosch]

(CNN)Iran's sole female Olympic medalist, Kimia Alizadeh, has announced that she's permanently left her country for Europe.

"Let me start with a greeting, a farewell or condolences," the 21-year-old wrote in an Instagram post explaining why she was defecting. "I am one of the millions of oppressed women in Iran who they have been playing with for years."

Alizadeh became the first Iranian woman to win an Olympic medal after claiming bronze in the 57kg category of Taekwondo at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

Affectionately known in Iran as "The Tsunami," Alizadeh announced she was leaving her birth country amid searing criticism of the regime in Tehran.

"They took me wherever they wanted. I wore whatever they said. Every sentence they ordered me to say, I repeated. Whenever they saw fit, they exploited me," she wrote, adding that credit for her success always went to those in charge.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/middleeast/iran-kimia-alizadeh-defects/index.html

For or against her "economic migration?"

I think that it is a little more than just economic migration. I think that she got tired of mullah's telling her what to do.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

(CNN)Iran's sole female Olympic medalist, Kimia Alizadeh, has announced that she's permanently left her country for Europe.

"Let me start with a greeting, a farewell or condolences," the 21-year-old wrote in an Instagram post explaining why she was defecting. "I am one of the millions of oppressed women in Iran who they have been playing with for years."

Alizadeh became the first Iranian woman to win an Olympic medal after claiming bronze in the 57kg category of Taekwondo at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

Affectionately known in Iran as "The Tsunami," Alizadeh announced she was leaving her birth country amid searing criticism of the regime in Tehran.

"They took me wherever they wanted. I wore whatever they said. Every sentence they ordered me to say, I repeated. Whenever they saw fit, they exploited me," she wrote, adding that credit for her success always went to those in charge.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/middleeast/iran-kimia-alizadeh-defects/index.html

For or against her "economic migration?"

I think that it is a little more than just economic migration. I think that she got tired of mullah's telling her what to do.

Of course, but if she didn't put it in writing, she'd be blamed. In any case, many leave for similar reasons under authoritarian regimes or gang country which is itself similar to terrorists.

 

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Was the "White Race" the Olympic event she won? If so, is that anything like a horse race?

If Europe doesn't pan out, I'd be happy to see here relocate here. We have plenty of fit white people already; I"m confident she could continue her racing career no problem in these parts.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

^ Your location us marked n/a so we can't know where is "here".

Also, what's with the thread title? What's this story for to do with her race? It's about the Iranian regime.

 

[Derec]

^ Your location us marked n/a so we can't know where is "here".

Also, what's with the thread title? What's this story for to do with her race? It's about the Iranian regime.

To Don2 everything is about race. Even or especially when it's really not.

And for the record, she seems like a good candidate for immigration. That doesn't mean that it is a wise policy to take ALL migrants just because they make it across your border or drift in a dinghy in the middle of the Mediterranean, and make it virtually impossible to deport them, which is current EU policy.

It is a fallacy to think that just because somebody is in favor of reasonable restrictions on migration that they must believe that all migration should be stopped. There is a lot of middle ground.

 

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^ Your location us marked n/a so we can't know where is "here".

It's been revealed multiple times. Same country as you, kiddo, though I believe different parts.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

^ Your location us marked n/a so we can't know where is "here".

Also, what's with the thread title? What's this story for to do with her race? It's about the Iranian regime.

To Don2 everything is about race. Even or especially when it's really not.

And for the record, she seems like a good candidate for immigration. That doesn't mean that it is a wise policy to take ALL migrants just because they make it across your border or drift in a dinghy in the middle of the Mediterranean, and make it virtually impossible to deport them, which is current EU policy.

It is a fallacy to think that just because somebody is in favor of reasonable restrictions on migration that they must believe that all migration should be stopped. There is a lot of middle ground.

There is nothing different between her escaping theocratic patriarchy in Iran and women escaping forced prostitution in gang patriarchy in some South American countries. Just because she's great at sports doesn't make her logically more appealing as a citizen. But I note the hypocrisy.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

^ Your location us marked n/a so we can't know where is "here".

Also, what's with the thread title? What's this story for to do with her race? It's about the Iranian regime.

It should be clear that Half-Life and others have been calling Muslims in the Middle East non-Whites by implication. And it's done often by conservatives. I guess you are still not looking at his posts critically enough to get it.

 

[Derec]

And it's done often by conservatives.

I've only seen fauxgressives do it.

 

[Derec]

There is nothing different between her escaping theocratic patriarchy in Iran

Iran is theocratic, yes, but both men and women suffer under it and both men and women support it. To call it "patriarchy" is needlessly divisive.

and women escaping forced prostitution in gang patriarchy in some South American countries.

Is that a particular claim by somebody or are you just babbling?

Just because she's great at sports doesn't make her logically more appealing as a citizen. But I note the hypocrisy.

She spoke out against the theocratic regime. That goes a long way. Also, there is nothing hypocritical in rejecting a mass influx of mass migrants who demand to be let in just because they showed up at the border.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Iran is theocratic, yes, but both men and women suffer under it and both men and women support it. To call it "patriarchy" is needlessly divisive.

Most men suffer under most patriarchies where a few elite men thrive. It's factual, whether it's divisive or not. Deal with it.

Is that a particular claim by somebody or are you just babbling?

There is nothing substantive in your response to respond to. Please try again.

She spoke out against the theocratic regime.

And people from South America speak out about the conditions and drug lords.

That goes a long way.

This shows some kind of bias on your part.

Also, there is nothing hypocritical in rejecting a mass influx of mass migrants who demand to be let in just because they showed up at the border.

And now you are dangerously close to shifting the goalposts to a strawman about "BUT THE DEMOCRACTS WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!!111"

Do pay attention:

1. At present, given the current conditions of the planet and our country's resources and the number of persons requesting asylum, each person ought to be heard on the merits of their particular case. There ought not be any "BUT IT'S A CARAVAN" excuses to reject all the group wholesale which Trump, you, and Half-Life have done. (You, of course, have done it in a much more sneaky way but it still can be seen by implication: you've called them economic migrants and rejected the nature of the conditions in their homeland which is not dissimilar to Iran.)
2. At the same time, because the world is changing and the resources and number of persons are not constant, we need to also introduce other policies:
   
   a. We need to stop pretending that more humans being born is a good thing and the religions that support this idea. We need to increase awareness to population control and incentivize it somehow.
   b. We need to pressure governments that have problems where corruption and gangs are out of control and also incentivize solutions to this problem.​

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There is nothing different between her escaping theocratic patriarchy in Iran and women escaping forced prostitution in gang patriarchy in some South American countries.

There are differences. These are not identical. Nor is everything I don't like "patriarchy".

Just because she's great at sports doesn't make her logically more appealing as a citizen. But I note the hypocrisy.

That she's come through with proper vetting does. I agree with you that all should apply and be vetted. Immigrate legally. That applies regardless of where they come from. The South Americans who line up at ports of entry are quite distinct from those who simply cross over without doing so.

I would recommend more immigration, but all of it vetted and controlled and accounted for.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That she's come through with proper vetting does.

She has not been invited to make permanent residence in Europe at the time of her social media posts. Ergo, your objection is refuted.

I would recommend more immigration, but all of it vetted and controlled and accounted for.

Then you should be arguing with Derec, Trump and Half-Life, but for some reason you refuse to do it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I would recommend more immigration, but all of it vetted and controlled and accounted for.

Then you should be arguing with Derec, Trump and Half-Life, but for some reason you refuse to do it.

I just did.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I would recommend more immigration, but all of it vetted and controlled and accounted for.

Then you should be arguing with Derec, Trump and Half-Life, but for some reason you refuse to do it.

I just did, in so far as they disagree with what I stated above.

I spoke against you because it was you in this OP title, not them, who equated fleeing Iran with race. You, not they, made it about being or not being white. Half Life didn't post anything in this thread. Derec's issue appears to be cultural and not racial.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I spoke against you because it was you in this OP title, not them, who equated fleeing Iran with race. You, not they, made it about being or not being white.

Hahaha. Good one.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I spoke against you because it was you in this OP title, not them, who equated fleeing Iran with race. You, not they, made it about being or not being white.

Hahaha. Good one.

Good one indeed. You keep injecting race and gender into everything. Why is that? Again, I invite him to correct me if I'm wrong, but Derec's issue appears to be cultural, not racial. And Half Life hasn't posted in this thread.

 

[SimpleDon]

There is nothing different between her escaping theocratic patriarchy in Iran and women escaping forced prostitution in gang patriarchy in some South American countries.

There are differences. These are not identical. Nor is everything I don't like "patriarchy".

Just because she's great at sports doesn't make her logically more appealing as a citizen. But I note the hypocrisy.

That she's come through with proper vetting does. I agree with you that all should apply and be vetted. Immigrate legally. That applies regardless of where they come from. The South Americans who line up at ports of entry are quite distinct from those who simply cross over without doing so.

I would recommend more immigration, but all of it vetted and controlled and accounted for.

And without consideration of the country of origin, religion or "race"?

This is where we seem to hit the shoals of objections from our less progressive friends here.

And we aren't really interested in the first generation of immigrants. Only that they are nominally capable of supporting themselves. It is the second generation of children educated in our schools and raised as North Americans who contribute to society as a group in a big way.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And without consideration of the country of origin, religion or "race"?

Race is irrelevant. Country of origin is usually irrelevant, though may be an indicator of culture so may be worth looking into. Religion and culture may or may not be relevant, depending on the religion/culture. If somebody has it as tenets of their religion that they strongly support that oppose this nation's (the nation they are immigrating to) values, then that's relevant. Somebody fleeing a country to this one to escape such culture / religion (or "patriarchy" as Don2 puts it) is the opposite of that, and should also be taken into account I think. It may not sound "progressive", but letting people in who have demonstrated values opposed to ours isn't advisable. Diversity can be a great strength, and we benefit form a wide variety of cultural backgrounds brought into our nations, but only when compatible. There do exist some that are not.

And we aren't really interested in the first generation of immigrants. Only that they are nominally capable of supporting themselves. It is the second generation of children educated in our schools and raised as North Americans who contribute to society as a group in a big way.

Often yes. But lets not write off the contributions of the first generation as well. Many of them are very appreciative of new opportunities that they have here that they didn't have in their nations of origin, and often that leads them to be very hard workers who contribute a lot to our society regardless of what money that may translate into. Its one major reason why lazy folks born here fear them. They can't "take our jobs" if they aren't hard workers, especially if they come in legally through ports of entry and work at or above minimum wage.