Are US policy makers actually TRYING to start WW III?

[barbos]

What do financial sanctions have to do with it? They are trivial. Putin WILL risk war over a Western presence in East Ukraine. The Russians have had this as Russian policy all along, and Putin certainly isn't afraid of the Ukrainian "security forces." He went into Georgia, and he will go into Ukraine if he is pushed into it.

You know for a fact that Putin will risk war over the Ukraine? You do realize that the history of Georgia and its strategic value are vastly different than Ukraine's.

That's a good one, coming from somebody who had not even heard about Georgia before 2008.

Wrong.

Same with Ukraine, I bet that half of the people in US thought it was Russia and another half thought "Uk-what?"

You have no clue as to my history or knowledge. But you are consistently wrong about this. I would venture more than half the US people had no idea where Ukraine is, but that has nothing to do with my information or knowledge.

Nope, I am consistently right about everything, and you are consistently wrong.

And strategic value to whom? to US?
I think Putin should send KGB thugs to Mexico to organize some Maidan.

My guess he is too busy trying to stop Russia from its economic descent into 3rd world status and that he is too smart to do such a blatantly moronic tactic.

So Obama is dumb enough to do that and Putin is not?

 

[barbos]

The US has been provoking Russia at least since the Clinton administration with the annexation of Eastern Europe into NATO and the annexations of the Baltic republics. With the war on Serbia. With missile bases in Eastern Europe. And now we're even introducing troops into Eastern Europe.

No one annexed Eastern Europe into NATO. Those countries wished to become part of NATO. An intellectually honest person might ask why that was, instead of parroting Russian propaganda.

No one annexed Crimea into Russia, Crimea wished to become part of Russia.

 

[barbos]

Well, what was "fuck the EU" all about? I haven't reviewed the actual transcript, but she talks about keeping Klitschko out of the deal and then says "fuck the EU" so the context supports the conclusion. I may have heard that Klitscko was being put forward by the EU in a separate news story.

Klitschko lives/lived in Germany and was planning to get german citizenship. He is very popular in Germany.
Yanukovich even rewrote election laws to prevent Klitschko from running for President based on residency. So Klitschko is german (EU) puppet and Yatsenyuk is US puppet. There is nothing new under the Sun.
Yanukovich tried to take advantage of both sides EU and Russia. So he was not really a Russian puppet, just a more suitable person for Russia.

 

[tupac chopra]

Of course America is trying to start a war. That is all they know. they don't negotiate, they start wars, they bomb people, they kill civilians, they spread terror throughout the globe, and they get gullible Americans to believe they are the "exceptional people", the "indispensable nation", and that they have some right to do these things.
they can organize coups to oust democratically elected governments. they can kill people without trial, just on suspicion, they can invade countries on the basis of documented lies.
The neocons wanted war with Russia back in Reagan's day and were pretty upset that Reagan wouldn't do it. But these same people are still there,and they don't want to negotiate. They want to inflict a military defeat on Russia. They have never hidden this.

The neocons do not rule the US.

They obviously do though. It doesn't matter whether you have a Republican or democrat in the White House, they both obsequiously serve the neocons.

The notion that all America knows how to do is to start a war is disproven by history, especially in Europe.

You are either for us or against us is the doctrine.

The notion that this all this administration knows how to do is to start wars is not based on facts, but tinfoil logic.

If you believe that then you'll have no trouble finding an administration anywhere in the world at any time that has waged war or attacked or bombed as many nations.

Come on...lets hear it

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As a matter of fact, what has Putin done now? Nothing. There was no "invasion" of Crimea. The Crimean government voted to separate from Ukraine and then to join Russia. Putin didn't need to do anything. At most, Putin simply made Russian troops, already in Crimea under treaty, available to the Crimean government to defend against Ukraine if they sought to move against them.

They had a sham election.

What has Putin done in East Ukraine? Nothing. East Ukrainians voted to separate from the Kiev regime.

Putin has put deniable forces in east Ukraine.

 

[tupac chopra]

They had a sham election.

Evidence?

What has Putin done in East Ukraine? Nothing. East Ukrainians voted to separate from the Kiev regime.

Putin has put deniable forces in east Ukraine.

Evidence?

 

[laughing dog]

They obviously do though. It doesn't matter whether you have a Republican or democrat in the White House, they both obsequiously serve the neocons.

How so?

You are either for us or against us is the doctrine.

I have no idea why anyone would think that. More importantly, I have no idea why anyone would think that is a relevant response.

If you believe that then you'll have no trouble finding an administration anywhere in the world at any time that has waged war or attacked or bombed as many.

Come on...lets hear it

Let's see, Hitler and Stalin immediately come to mind. Napoleon didn't have bombs, but he also comes to mind.

 

[laughing dog]

The US has been provoking Russia at least since the Clinton administration with the annexation of Eastern Europe into NATO and the annexations of the Baltic republics. With the war on Serbia. With missile bases in Eastern Europe. And now we're even introducing troops into Eastern Europe.

No one annexed Eastern Europe into NATO. Those countries wished to become part of NATO. An intellectually honest person might ask why that was, instead of parroting Russian propaganda .

No one annexed Crimea into Russia, Crimea wished to become part of Russia.

Since I made no claim about Crimea, nor was that discussion about Crimea, what purpose do you feel that response serves?

 

[barbos]

I suggest reading this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-da...ilians-a-day-that-will-live-in-infamy/5380379
Must be Russian propaganda too.

 

[barbos]

The US has been provoking Russia at least since the Clinton administration with the annexation of Eastern Europe into NATO and the annexations of the Baltic republics. With the war on Serbia. With missile bases in Eastern Europe. And now we're even introducing troops into Eastern Europe.

No one annexed Eastern Europe into NATO. Those countries wished to become part of NATO. An intellectually honest person might ask why that was, instead of parroting Russian propaganda .

No one annexed Crimea into Russia, Crimea wished to become part of Russia.

Since I made no claim about Crimea, nor was that discussion about Crimea, what purpose do you feel that response serves?

It serves to counteract West/US whining about "annexation" of Crimea to which I have no doubt you subscribe.

By the way, If I remember correctly desire to join NATO was not unanimous at all in Eastern Europe. In some countries majority was against it.
But they were denied to be heard.

 

[barbos]

US foreign policy is not run by Obama/Kerry or any elected officials. It is run by cohort of faceless "analysts" who live in their own imaginary world. And based on what we see most of these "analysts" are from CIA.

Obama needs to grow a pair and kick these advisers/analysts out, starting with CIA director.
And Kerry has to go too.

 

[Nexus]

You are either for us or against us is the doctrine.

I have no idea why anyone would think that.

Are you truly unaware of W. Bush's statement regarding the war on terror?

 

[laughing dog]

You are either for us or against us is the doctrine.

I have no idea why anyone would think that.

Are you truly unaware of W. Bush's statement regarding the war on terror?

I didn't realize W. spoke for every US administration.

 

[Nexus]

I didn't realize W. spoke for every US administration.

You said you had no idea why anyone would think that, certainly Bush's statement should have given you some idea. It seems you're just being intentionally obtuse and rhetorically slippery in this thread.

 

[tupac chopra]

If you believe that then you'll have no trouble finding an administration anywhere in the world at any time that has waged war or attacked or bombed as many.
Come on...lets hear it

Let's see, Hitler and Stalin immediately come to mind. Napoleon didn't have bombs, but he also comes to mind.

So you think that maaaybe Hitler was worse than Obama. Maaaybe Stalin was worse than Obama, and maaaybe napoleon was.
But you're not really sure if they were or not. But you won't actually commit yourself and explain how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama. You're not doing very well.

 

[Ford]

So you think that maaaybe Hitler was worse than Obama. Maaaybe Stalin was worse than Obama, and maaaybe napoleon was.
But you're not really sure if they were or not. But you won't actually commit yourself and explain how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama. You're not doing very well.

Well all I know (according to you and barbos) is that Putin is the patron saint of mother Russia, the West is evil, and whatever Moscow tells me is true.

Next up, Putin frees the oppressed Russian citizens of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia!

 

[barbos]

So you think that maaaybe Hitler was worse than Obama. Maaaybe Stalin was worse than Obama, and maaaybe napoleon was.
But you're not really sure if they were or not. But you won't actually commit yourself and explain how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama. You're not doing very well.

Well all I know (according to you and barbos) is that Putin is the patron saint of mother Russia, the West is evil, and whatever Moscow tells me is true.

Next up, Putin frees the oppressed Russian citizens of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia!

And next step after that Brighton Beach

 

[Sabine Grant]

If you believe that then you'll have no trouble finding an administration anywhere in the world at any time that has waged war or attacked or bombed as many.
Come on...lets hear it

Let's see, Hitler and Stalin immediately come to mind. Napoleon didn't have bombs, but he also comes to mind.

So you think that maaaybe Hitler was worse than Obama. Maaaybe Stalin was worse than Obama, and maaaybe napoleon was.
But you're not really sure if they were or not. But you won't actually commit yourself and explain how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama. You're not doing very well.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/ww2time.htm#1939 ( and I left out the invasion of the Sudetenland in 1938) will demonstrate to which extent "Hitler comes to mind" is not a "maaaybe" but an accurate reply regarding "how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama".

It is shocking that anyone would portray the Obama administration as having attacked more countries than Germany did during the Third Reich.

 

[tupac chopra]

Well all I know (according to you and barbos) is that Putin is the patron saint of mother Russia, the West is evil, and whatever Moscow tells me is true.

Next up, Putin frees the oppressed Russian citizens of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia!

There is no question he is more interested in peace than America is. As I mentioned they had to live through the horrors of war in their own land last century. they don't want war. Cowards in America want war because they haven't had to experience it in their land. they glory in it.
Putin was the one who jumped on a more peaceful solution in Syria. Putin is the one who who looking for a peaceful solution here.
Americans don't get it as they live in a bubble. They kill innocent people with drones so they don't have to experience the horrors of war. They just inflict it on others who think differently.
America just send their kids to far away lands to kill people then wonders why more US soldiers kill themselves than die in battle.

Americans have hard time admitting just how evil their foreign policy is and how skewed their idea of Russia is.

 

[tupac chopra]

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/ww2time.htm#1939 ( and I left out the invasion of the Sudetenland in 1938) will demonstrate to which extent "Hitler comes to mind" is not a "maaaybe" but an accurate reply regarding "how they invaded or attacked more countries than Obama".

You still aren't being clear. How many countries are you claiming? Just say the number please.

It is shocking that anyone would portray the Obama administration as having attacked more countries than Germany did during the Third Reich.

Well lets have look at the numbers. You say Hitlers numbers and I'll respond with Obamas.
Is that fair?