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Are we at the 2,000th anniversary of Jesus’s death?

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Ok. So When was Jesus born, supposedly? I always thought most Christian scholars would have said, 6 bc, because that’s when the census of Quirinius was, and Herod died in 4 BC.

And he was 30 when he was killed? Or 32? I’ve never been sure. If it was 30, then he would have been crucified in 25 AD, because there is no year zero. That would make this Easter the 2,000 anniversary of the resurrection.

So is that when we can expect him to return? I mean, sheesh, generations have come and gone since he promised to BRB.

Or is Trump the second coming? :eek:
 
I don’t know about that, but it is the 2,000th anniversary of Lucius Aelius Sejanus unsuccessfully attempting to marry Livilla. :sadcheer:
 
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Well, now is your chance to persuade all the MAGA hard right Christians to self-rapture. You know, beat the crowd and get the front spots at the great Jesus meet 'n' greet.
 
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It's simply not known. Even if we fully trusted the extant texts, they offer no clear date. If indeed Pontius Pilate presided over it, which I personally consider extremely likely, that restricts the range of possible dates to his decade of governorship, CE 26-36. The high priest Caiaphas, also referenced in the story, died in 36 CE also. The Gospel of Luke offers a somewhat clear date for the start of Jesus' ministry, claiming that John the Baptist's began his own ministry in 29 CE in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign. All three dates are confirmed by other, non-Christian sources, so the general range is probably correct.

But that's about as solid as things are likely to get. More sophisticated arguments have been made for more specific dates, especially of course for the Latin church's preferred date of April 3, 33 AD at around 15:00. The reasoning here requires a bit more trust in the Biblical accounts, which insist that Jesus died on a Passover Friday, which could describe only two dates in the given range. There are heavy symbolic reasons for that detail to have been included or invented however, so color me suspicious, personally.
 
One thing that definitely happened exactly 2000 years ago was the restoration of the Han Dynasty, which won it an extra two centuries after being successfully but very temporarily displaced by the usurper Wang Mang, to the delight and profit of any collector who comes upon a Xin "dynasty" artifact.
 
Ok. So When was Jesus born, supposedly? I always thought most Christian scholars would have said, 6 bc, because that’s when the census of Quirinius was, and Herod died in 4 BC.

And he was 30 when he was killed? Or 32? I’ve never been sure. If it was 30, then he would have been crucified in 25 AD, because there is no year zero. That would make this Easter the 2,000 anniversary of the resurrection.

So is that when we can expect him to return? I mean, sheesh, generations have come and gone since he promised to BRB.

Well, first of all, the Bible doesn't teach that there is a "second coming" other than the one in which Jesus was resurrected and appeared before his disciples. Jesus isn't going to physically appear.

From Revelation in Space - Atheist Study Bible: Science and the Bible: Historicity the following.

Josephus described Herod's painful death in vivid detail: "an intolerable itching of the whole skin, continuous pains in the intestines, tumors in the feet as in dropsy, inflammation of the abdomen and gangrene of the privy parts, engendering worms, in addition to asthma, with great difficulty in breathing, and convulsions in all his limbs" (Jewish Wars 1:656).

The dating of Herod's death poses a challenge for Biblical chronology, with some scholars placing it in 5 or 4 BCE based on Josephus' historical accounts. Josephus uses consular dating to pinpoint Herod's appointment as king by Rome to 40 BCE, while another historian, Appian, dates it to 39 BCE. Josephus also notes Herod's capture of Jerusalem in 37 BCE, but he also states this was 27 years after Pompey's capture of the city in 63 BCE (Jewish Antiquities 14:487), implying a date of 36 BCE. This discrepancy leads to different conclusions about the year of Herod's death; if calculated as 37 years after his appointment by Rome and 34 years after capturing Jerusalem, his death would be dated to 2 or 1 BCE (Jewish Antiquities 17:188).

Josephus might have used the accession year method for counting reigns, which was common for Judean kings from the line of David. If Herod was appointed in 40 BCE, his first regnal year would start from Nisan 39 to Nisan 38 BCE. If from the capture of Jerusalem in 37 or 36 BCE, it would begin from Nisan 36 or 35 BCE. Thus, counting back 37 years from his appointment and 34 years from Jerusalem's capture points to a death in 1 BCE.

W. E. Filmer in "The Journal of Theological Studies" (edited by H. Chadwick and H. Sparks, Oxford, 1966, Vol. XVII, p. 284) references Jewish tradition that Herod died on Shevat 2 (January-February). Josephus notes that Herod died shortly after a lunar eclipse and before Passover (Jewish Antiquities 17:164). A partial eclipse occurred on March 11, 4 BCE (Julian calendar March 13), leading some to conclude this was the one Josephus referred to. However, there was also a total eclipse on January 8, 1 BCE (Julian calendar January 10), 18 days before Shevat 2, and another partial eclipse on December 27, 1 BCE (Julian calendar December 29).

Most scholars advocate for a 4 BCE death date based on the March eclipse, but the January 1 BCE eclipse was more significant, lasting 1 hour and 41 minutes, and likely more noticeable (Solar and Lunar Eclipses of the Ancient Near East From 3000 BC to 0 With Maps, by M. Kudlek and E. H. Mickler; Neukirchen-Vluyn, Germany; 1971, Vol. I, p. 156). The December eclipse was less visible at twilight, making it less likely the one described by Josephus.

Josephus states Herod was around 70 at his death, appointed governor of Galilee at 15 (or possibly 25, considering potential textual errors), around 47 BCE, although his historical dating has inconsistencies. The Bible remains the most reliable source for this period's chronology.

Evidence suggests Herod's death in 1 BCE aligns with Luke's account that John the Baptist began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1-3), which would be from late 28 CE to late 29 CE after Augustus died on August 17, 14 CE, and Tiberius was named emperor on September 15. John, six months older than Jesus, started his ministry in the spring of 29 CE (Luke 1:35-36). Jesus, born in the fall, would have been about 30 when baptized in the fall of 29 CE (Luke 3:21-23), placing his birth in the fall of 2 BCE. This also matches Daniel's prophecy of "70 weeks" (Daniel 9:24-27), where from 455 BCE (Artaxerxes' order to rebuild Jerusalem's wall) to 29 CE (Jesus' baptism) is 483 years or 69 weeks.

Or is Trump the second coming? :eek:

Trump is just this guy, ya' know?
 
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One thing that definitely happened exactly 2000 years ago was the restoration of the Han Dynasty, which won it an extra two centuries after being successfully but very temporarily displaced by the usurper Wang Mang, to the delight and profit of any collector who comes upon a Xin "dynasty" artifact.

I like you. I mean that from what I've read of you I find your thinking interesting. There are two things about this that intrigued me. It was said ironically, no? If I may, why to the delight of such a collector?

Also, your signature - do you know what the tree of knowledge is? First of all, it isn't just the tree of knowledge in general. It is specifically the tree of knowledge of what is good and bad.

The tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented, to Adam and Eve, Jehovah God's sovereignty—his right, as our creator, to decide for us what was good and what was bad until we, like children, matured enough to make those decisions within the parameters of that sovereignty. Knowledge here refers to the experience gained. Good and bad were defined by Jehovah and were initially very straightforward: fill the earth and subdue it (good), do not touch or eat from the tree (bad). The knowledge Adam and Eve acquired was the decision to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad, which is why they suddenly considered nudity to be bad (Genesis 2:25; 3:6-11).

The footnote to Genesis 2:17 in the 1966 Jerusalem Bible explains this well: "This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, Genesis 3:5, 22. Hence, it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognize his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God's sovereignty, a sin of pride."
 
Tons of MAGGOTS worship Trump so he is a literally a god according to you, ya know? :rolleyes:

WHO FUCKING CARES?

Loose some sleep over it! Become enraged! Rail against it, shout it from the rooftops! Spend a lifetime bitching about it until no one can stand to be around you and you can't stand yourself, then on your deathbed try and think back to the moment before that became the most important thing in the useless stupid world and you might have been, in some sense, happy.

It's all fucking useless white noise that repeats itself over and over and over . . . in the perpetual land of the living dead.

Who fucking cares. Wah.
 
According to the mythology, we are at the 2020th anniversary of when he murdered a kid.
 
Tons of MAGGOTS worship Trump so he is a literally a god according to you, ya know? :rolleyes:

How is Trump NOT a god? If you doubt that he is a god because he is worshipped, as I've indicated, then explain to me how he isn't a god.
 
According to the mythology, we are at the 2020th anniversary of when he murdered a kid.

Mythology: a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Who is he? Pilate?

What kid? If you're talking about Jesus, he was 33 1/2 years old.
 

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the ages of five to twelve,[16] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[16] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[5] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[17][18] and in a medieval Jewish work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

When Joseph and Mary's neighbors complain, Jesus miraculously strikes them blind. Jesus then starts receiving lessons, but tries to teach the teacher, instead, upsetting the teacher who suspects supernatural origins. Jesus is amused by this suspicion, which he confirms, and revokes all his earlier apparent cruelty. Subsequently, he resurrects a friend who is killed when he falls from a roof, and heals another who cuts his foot with an axe.

After various other demonstrations of supernatural ability, new teachers try to teach Jesus, but he proceeds to explain the law to them instead. Another set of miracles is mentioned, in which Jesus heals his brother, who is bitten by a snake, and two others, who have died from different causes. Finally, the text recounts the episode in Luke in which Jesus, aged 12, teaches in the temple.
 
There are two things about this that intrigued me. It was said ironically, no? If I may, why to the delight of such a collector?
Because they're rare and interesting. The shortest "dynasty" and very old, but not so rare that a coin doesn't turn up from time to time. Our currencies used to long outlast their value! Future numismatics may have to content themselves with Paypal receipts.

Also, your signature - do you know what the tree of knowledge is? First of all, it isn't just the tree of knowledge in general. It is specifically the tree of knowledge of what is good and bad.
It's Robert Ingersoll in this case, the subtitle of one of his lectures: “Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith. Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.” I sympathize; if anyone is damned we likely all are, but I'll be damned if I ever let anyone convince me to stop asking questions about the nature of things.

I get your point about the tree in Genesis being much more specific in its role in that story, but then, the story involves a talking snake and the junction of four rivers that demonstrably don't. So, you know. Metaphors are flexible things, and have to be.
 
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Because they're rare and interesting. The shortest "dynasty" and very old, but not so rare that a coin doesn't turn up from time to time. Our currencies used to long outlast their value! Future numismatics may have to content themselves with Paypal receipts.

Nah, they'll be marveling over the same Xin artifacts we do. Maybe a Toyota hatchback or iPod, but not PayPal receipts.

It's Robert Ingersoll in this case, the subtitle of one of his lectures: “Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith. Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.” I sympathize; if anyone is damned we likely all are, but I'll be damned if I ever let anyone convince me to stop asking questions about the nature of things.

Knowledge is like a Xin artifact in that you may seek it but when you get it the wonder is diminished. You may think it is authentic because the experts say it is, and it may or may not be of any real use to you. Ignorance is something you already possess but may lose. Metaphorically like the alchemical lead to gold, ignorance becomes knowledge, but over time we lose that as well. All is vanity.

Do you know that to be damned, i.e. cursed, means the desiring, threatening, or pronouncing of evil upon someone or something?

I get your point about the tree in Genesis being much more specific in its role in that story, but then, the story involves a talking snake and the junction of four rivers that demonstrably don't. So, you know. Metaphors are flexible things, and have to be.

Talking snakes. Hmmm. To be more precise it involves a woman who was deceived into thinking a snake was talking and the rivers you refer to are the Pishon, the Gihon, the Hiddekel and the Euphrates? The junction of four rivers that demonstrably don't? What? Demonstrably not joining 6-4 thousand years ago? That I would like to see.
 
Metaphorically like the alchemical lead to gold, ignorance becomes knowledge, but over time we lose that as well. All is vanity.
And chasing after wind. But if that is so, and all is vanity, I prefer to choose my own vanities. I'm well aware my knowledge will go with me to the grave, and likely sooner than I expect, but that does not describe me any more or less than anyone else. "The wise have eyes in their heads, while the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both". Yet the fool walks into many more walls, walking around in the dark like that. And what sort of a life is that to choose willingly?

To be more precise it involves a woman who was deceived into thinking a snake was talking
That is not what the text says.

The junction of four rivers that demonstrably don't? What? Demonstrably not joining 6-4 thousand years ago?
Yes. Rivers may wander, but not without leaving traces of themselves on the landscape for discerning eyes to see, nor do they ignore the topography of the land they flow over. Four major river basins do not share their headwaters in Mesopotamia.

Have you ever noticed that the creation myths of many cultures are very specific about how and when local landforms came into being, but pointedly vague about how the rest of the world was formed?
 
One thing that definitely happened exactly 2000 years ago was the restoration of the Han Dynasty, which won it an extra two centuries after being successfully but very temporarily displaced by the usurper Wang Mang, to the delight and profit of any collector who comes upon a Xin "dynasty" artifact.

I like you. I mean that from what I've read of you I find your thinking interesting. There are two things about this that intrigued me. It was said ironically, no? If I may, why to the delight of such a collector?

Also, your signature - do you know what the tree of knowledge is? First of all, it isn't just the tree of knowledge in general. It is specifically the tree of knowledge of what is good and bad.

The tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented, to Adam and Eve, Jehovah God's sovereignty—his right, as our creator, to decide for us what was good and what was bad until we, like children, matured enough to make those decisions within the parameters of that sovereignty. Knowledge here refers to the experience gained. Good and bad were defined by Jehovah and were initially very straightforward: fill the earth and subdue it (good), do not touch or eat from the tree (bad). The knowledge Adam and Eve acquired was the decision to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad, which is why they suddenly considered nudity to be bad (Genesis 2:25; 3:6-11).

The footnote to Genesis 2:17 in the 1966 Jerusalem Bible explains this well: "This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, Genesis 3:5, 22. Hence, it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognize his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God's sovereignty, a sin of pride."
The Yggdrasil tree of Norse mythology is a much more sophisticated concept. One could say it is the adult version, in contrast to the Biblical tree of being the children's version.
 
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