Atlanta-area police shoot dead unarmed, naked African-American man

[Derec]

The idiotic grand jury, guided by the DeKalb County DA, chose to overcharge. I could see a manslaughter charge, but 1st degree murder is simply idiotic and will likely lead to an acquittal in front of any halfway fair jury.
Apropos, I just got my jury summons so fingers crossed ...

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Apparently even crazy people know how to show a lady a good time.

Maybe it's like with women - the crazy ones are also dynamite in bed.

Is there a male version of the hot-crazy scale?

The "girls named Tiffany" is especially poignant because I used to know a girl named Tiffany who was totally nuts.

 

[laughing dog]

The idiotic grand jury, guided by the DeKalb County DA, chose to overcharge. I could see a manslaughter charge, but 1st degree murder is simply idiotic and will likely lead to an acquittal in front of any halfway fair jury.

Unless, of course, there is a plea agreement on a lesser charge beforehand.

Apropos, I just got my jury summons so fingers crossed ...

I would think that even a halfway competent DA would exclude someone with your views from jury after voir dire.

 

[Playball40]

The idiotic grand jury, guided by the DeKalb County DA, chose to overcharge. I could see a manslaughter charge, but 1st degree murder is simply idiotic and will likely lead to an acquittal in front of any halfway fair jury.
Apropos, I just got my jury summons so fingers crossed ...

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Apparently even crazy people know how to show a lady a good time.

Maybe it's like with women - the crazy ones are also dynamite in bed.

Is there a male version of the hot-crazy scale?

The "girls named Tiffany" is especially poignant because I used to know a girl named Tiffany who was totally nuts.

REDHEADS?? Say what? Oh wait...we're in the 'danger zone'. Ok cool.

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The idiotic grand jury, guided by the DeKalb County DA, chose to overcharge. I could see a manslaughter charge, but 1st degree murder is simply idiotic and will likely lead to an acquittal in front of any halfway fair jury.
Apropos, I just got my jury summons so fingers crossed ...

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Apparently even crazy people know how to show a lady a good time.

Maybe it's like with women - the crazy ones are also dynamite in bed.

Is there a male version of the hot-crazy scale?

The "girls named Tiffany" is especially poignant because I used to know a girl named Tiffany who was totally nuts.

REDHEADS?? Say what? Oh wait...we're in the 'danger zone'. Ok cool.

 

[barbos]

Some ugly white guy got himself arrested, apparently on outstanding warrants. Way to stay under the radar genius!

It's a light skinned black guy.

 

[Derec]

It's a light skinned black guy.

So light skinned he is lighter than I am. He is lighter than the white guy on the walkie-talkie. Unlike the guy to the left or the woman behind him.

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REDHEADS?? Say what? Oh wait...we're in the 'danger zone'. Ok cool.

Hey, I did not make the chart.

 

[Derec]

Unless, of course, there is a plea agreement on a lesser charge beforehand.

"Liberals" and "progressives" tend to be critical of the tactic of prosecutors grossly overcharging to pressure defendants into pleading guilty to a lesser charge. I agree with that, but apparently "progressives" and "liberals" carve an exception to their principles for police charged with killing blacks.
Kind of like they tend to argue against mass incarceration and very long sentences, except when a policeman is convicted of raping black women (tripple whammy, police, rape and race are all involved) - then they accuse everybody who argues against the cop spending the rest of his life in prison as being 'soft on rape'.

I would think that even a halfway competent DA would exclude someone with your views from jury after voir dire.

They tend to go with the most ignorant, easily manipulable people to put on juries so you might be right.

 

[laughing dog]

"Liberals" and "progressives" tend to be critical of the tactic of prosecutors grossly overcharging to pressure defendants into pleading guilty to a lesser charge. I agree with that, but apparently "progressives" and "liberals" carve an exception to their principles for police charged with killing blacks.

Outside of your goosesteeping acceptance of police misconduct, you have presented no argument or evidence to indicate that 1st degree murder is an "overcharge".

Kind of like they tend to argue against mass incarceration and very long sentences, except when a policeman is convicted of raping black women (tripple whammy, police, rape and race are all involved) - then they accuse everybody who argues against the cop spending the rest of his life in prison as being 'soft on rape'.

Is there a relevant point to this babbling hobby horse?

They tend to go with the most ignorant, easily manipulable people to put on juries so you might be right.

Disinterested people who weight the evidence and who come to an unanimous verdict are not automatically the most ignorant and easily manipulable people. However, it seems to me that if that is the standard, then someone with your views would be their first choice for the jury.

 

[Derec]

Outside of your goosesteeping acceptance of police misconduct, you have presented no argument or evidence to indicate that 1st degree murder is an "overcharge".

The facts of the matter - cop being called to a disturbance involving a crazed naked man, said man charges the officer, support manslaughter charge at the most. Even you indicated that the overcharge was tactical to bargain for a guilty plea.

Is there a relevant point to this babbling hobby horse?

Yes, the fact that the Left is quick to jettison their principles when the defendant is member of a hated group like police.

Disinterested people who weight the evidence and who come to an unanimous verdict are not automatically the most ignorant and easily manipulable people.

For example: Dumbing down juries

However, it seems to me that if that is the standard, then someone with your views would be their first choice for the jury.

Wrong, but you'd be perfect.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

So light skinned he is lighter than I am. He is lighter than the white guy on the walkie-talkie. Unlike the guy to the left or the woman behind him.

Many non-white people are whiter than I am. In the summer I am darker than most Native Americans.

 

[Derec]

So light skinned he is lighter than I am. He is lighter than the white guy on the walkie-talkie. Unlike the guy to the left or the woman behind him.

Many non-white people are whiter than I am. In the summer I am darker than most Native Americans.

Well anybody born in the US is technically a "Native American". If you mean Amerindians (aka Siberian-Americans) you get the same "one drop rule" nonsense as with blacks. Some of those getting special government benefits as being "Indian" and privileges have as little as 1/1024 actual Indian ancestry. The other 1023/1024 are mostly white.

Sure, I am darker than this "Indian" too.

Elizabeth "Fauxachontas" Warren

 

[laughing dog]

The facts of the matter - cop being called to a disturbance involving a crazed naked man, said man charges the officer, support manslaughter charge at the most. Even you indicated that the overcharge was tactical to bargain for a guilty plea.

No, I did not. I indicated it might be the outcome.

Yes, the fact that the Left is quick to jettison their principles when the defendant is member of a hated group like police.

You were babbling about mass incarceration and police rapers which has nothing to do with this situation. Now you are babbling about the "left" and jettisoned principles when all that has occurred is that a police officer has actually been charged with a crime. I realize that law and order goosesteppers do not acknowledge that the police are capable of misconduct and therefore should never be charged or indicted for a crime. Are you under the impression that the police and their actions are outside of the purview of the law?

Wrong, but you'd be perfect.

Classy - making it personal. You implied you were looking forward to be chosen for this trial but you claim DAs choose the most ignorant and pliable people and that juries are dumbed down. LOL.

 

[Derec]

No, I did not. I indicated it might be the outcome.

You still haven't shown how the level of charge is warranted other than as a bargaining chip.

Classy - making it personal.

You started it dude.

You implied you were looking forward to be chosen for this trial but you claim DAs choose the most ignorant and pliable people and that juries are dumbed down. LOL.

I agreed with you that I was unlikely to be picked because of that reason.

 

[laughing dog]

You still haven't shown how the level of charge is warranted other than as a bargaining chip.

I don't have to show anything. Apparently the DA had enough evidence to convince a grand jury that the charge was warranted. I am not privy to all that was presented to the grand jury and neither are you.

You started it dude.

No, I didn't. Try reading with some comprehension.

I agreed with you that I was unlikely to be picked because of that reason.

You did not agree with my reason even if the outcomes are the same.

 

[Derec]

I don't have to show anything.

You were arguing the charge is warranted. What evidence do you have to support that?

Apparently the DA had enough evidence to convince a grand jury that the charge was warranted.

A prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict the proverbial ham sandwich. This isn't saying much. It certainly does not show there is enough evidence to sustain this charge.
Remember how a corrupt DA got indictments on innocent Duke Lacrosse players despite there being precious little incriminatory evidence and a mountain of exculpatory evidence?

I am not privy to all that was presented to the grand jury and neither are you.

No, but given what we know we can form an informed opinion.
As far as I can see, the cop made an error in judgment of how threatening/dangerous Hill was, making a tragic error in judgment. I can see this leading to a manslaughter charge but not a murder charge. Again, why do you think a murder charge is warranted, other than "the prosecutor says so".

In any case, this is a tragic case of a man who was mentally ill and apparently resistant to getting treatment.
Anthony Hill’s last messages before being shot

 

[laughing dog]

You were arguing the charge is warranted. What evidence do you have to support that?

I made no such argument. I don't have all the facts that were presented to the grand jury. Neither do you.

A prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict the proverbial ham sandwich.

Darrell Wilson was not a ham sandwich. Maybe that was the problem!

This isn't saying much. It certainly does not show there is enough evidence to sustain this charge.

True, but it is some evidence. It certainly has more weight than the uninformed opinion of an internet poster who routinely defends the police shooting unarmed black people. Whether the charge is sustained remains to be seen.

Remember how a corrupt DA got indictments on innocent Duke Lacrosse players despite there being precious little incriminatory evidence and a mountain of exculpatory evidence?

What evidence do you have to suggest this DA is corrupt? Or is this just another example of one of your tedious hobby horse?

No, but given what we know we can form an informed opinion.

We can only make an uninformed opinion.

As far as I can see, the cop made an error in judgment of how threatening/dangerous Hill was, making a tragic error in judgment. I can see this leading to a manslaughter charge but not a murder charge. Again, why do you think a murder charge is warranted, other than "the prosecutor says so".

As far as I can see, the police officer had plenty of time to deal with this situation without resorting to killing Hill. There is a question whether or not the officer or anyone else was in any danger.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

EVERY
FUCKING
TIME

 

[Derec]

EVERY
FUCKING
TIME

So now I am not supposed to be posting in threads that involve my own fucking city? You crazy!

 

[Derec]

I made no such argument. I don't have all the facts that were presented to the grand jury. Neither do you.

We have the facts that have been released.

Darrell Wilson was not a ham sandwich. Maybe that was the problem!

Darren Wilson I think you mean and he (as well as the officers involved in Tamir Rice shooting) proves the point: the prosecutors in those cases did not want an indictment in the first place.

True, but it is some evidence.

Like what?

It certainly has more weight than the uninformed opinion of an internet poster who routinely defends the police shooting unarmed black people.

I am not defending this shooting. Obviously the cop made a mistake. However, I do not think it was murder, at least not based in information we have so far.

Whether the charge is sustained remains to be seen.

All I am saying is that based on information we have, it is not.

What evidence do you have to suggest this DA is corrupt?

I did not say he was. I was just making a point about how easily grand jury indictments can be obtained and that the grand jury in this case returned the indictment for murder does not mean any more than that the prosecutor wanted them to.

We can only make an uninformed opinion.

Not true. While we may not have complete information we have a lot to go on.

As far as I can see, the police officer had plenty of time to deal with this situation without resorting to killing Hill. There is a question whether or not the officer or anyone else was in any danger.

As I said, I think the cop made a tragic mistake. He should be held responsible for that. But I do not think he is a murderer.

 

[laughing dog]

We have the facts that have been released.

Until all the facts are released, that is irrelevant.

Not true. While we may not have complete information we have a lot to go on.

Irrelevant. Unless all the facts are know, we are basically guessing.

As I said, I think the cop made a tragic mistake. He should be held responsible for that. But I do not think he is a murderer.

No one was in immediate danger and this officer had other alternatives and the time to use them. He choose to shoot and to kill. Sounds like a murderer. I am pretty certain if the only the roles were reversed (i.e. the civilian shot and killed a police officer who was acting strange) that most people would have no problem with the civilian being charged with 1st degree murder.

 

[Derec]

Until all the facts are released, that is irrelevant.

So we should just take the DA's word for it that he has mystery evidence that make this a bona fide murder?

Irrelevant. Unless all the facts are know, we are basically guessing.

In life, we usually have incomplete information about everything. It's not like high school math word problems where all the information needed is in the formulation of the problem and no extraneous information is included.

No one was in immediate danger and this officer had other alternatives and the time to use them. He choose to shoot and to kill. Sounds like a murderer.

No, even if the cop acted rashly and made a mistake, a mistake is not a murder.

I am pretty certain if the only the roles were reversed (i.e. the civilian shot and killed a police officer who was acting strange) that most people would have no problem with the civilian being charged with 1st degree murder.

First of all, it is the cops' job to confront suspects, including violent and unpredictable suspects.
And second, had a cop gone off his meds and stripped naked and charged a civilian there is no way the civilian would be charged with murder and neither should he be. In fact, I doubt DA James would have charged him with anything, especially if the shooter is black and the crazy cop white.

By the way, the DA excluded an exculpatory witness from the proceedings.

Don Samuel, who joined Olsen’s defense team just last week, said the grand jury did not hear from one witness who told police Hill was “attacking” and “charging” the officer.

“I don’t think there’s any question he was in reasonable fear of his safety,” Samuel said. “Put yourself in his shoes: He’s standing alone and there’s a naked guy, which is pretty scary in and of itself, charging at you. Witnesses have said he yelled, ‘Stop, stop,’ and that he backpedaled, but the guy keeps running at him. Just put yourself in his shoes.”

In DeKalb police shooting, a rare indictment, a long road to trial
He is also up for reelection in a majority black county and he has recently faced scrutiny over expenses. Connect the dots.