Attacks on ICE in Texas

[Derec]

Ten charged with attempted murder after allegedly ambushing Texas Ice agents

Ten people have been charged with attempted murder after allegedly ambushing US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents in Texas on 4 July.
Federal prosecutors said attackers drew the agents out of an Ice detention center in Alvarado, Texas, with fireworks and by vandalizing vehicles. They allegedly shot a police officer in the neck and unloaded between 20 and 30 rounds on immigration agents, and were later apprehended by local law enforcement near the scene.
“It was a planned ambush with the intent to kill Ice correction officers,” said Nancy Larson, US attorney for the northern district of Texas, at a press conference on Monday. “Make no mistake, this was not a so-called peaceful protest – it was indeed an ambush.”
Larson said the assailants began shooting fireworks outside the Prairieland Ice Detection Center, about an hour south of Dallas in Alvarado, Texas, at approximately 10.37pm. The fireworks drew agents outside and found the group spray painting vehicles with “Ice pig”, “traitor” and “other profanity”, according to Larson.
A gunman, who was positioned in the woods away from the group, then fired a shot at a local police officer who was also on the scene and hit him in the “neck area”, Larson said. She added that a second gunman unloaded between 20 and 30 rounds on Ice corrections officers, who she said were unarmed.

These are the mugshots of the people arrested:

One Benjamin Song is still at large:
Search continues for 12th suspect in ambush at Alvarado ICE detention facility
Suspect #11, one Daniel Estrada, is husband of one of the above, and apparently did not directly participate but instead tampered with evidence.
FBI arrests 11th suspect related to attack at North Texas ICE detention center

In a separate incident in McAllen, TX (close to the Mexico border and almost 500 miles away from Alvarado, TX) an anti-ICE shooter got iced himself.
Shooter killed after 3 injured at U.S. Border Patrol building in Texas

A shooter opened fire at a Border Patrol facility in McAllen, Texas, on Monday morning, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said.
Border Patrol agents and local police helped "neutralize" the shooter, according to the spokesperson. Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley Sector, which has six stations along the border, reported that the person is dead.
The shooter was identified as 27-year-old Ryan Louis Mosqueda, who had an assault rifle and was carrying a utility vest, McAllen Police Chief Victor Rodriguez said Monday. Agents had returned fire and killed him, Rodriguez said.
Two officers and a Border Patrol employee were injured, with one of them shot in the knee, the DHS spokesperson said, adding that they went to the hospital.

No matter how you feel about illegal immigration, ICE in general, or ICE tactics since Trump took over, this type of stuff is not acceptable.

 

[patchy]

I wouldn’t disagree with you.
As stated, that’s fair enough, and shouldn’t be strenuously countered on these pages.

I will note, though, that what’s “not acceptable” seems to be on a very sliding scale these days in America.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not acceptable but it is predictable.

 

[ZiprHead]

I predicted something like this weeks ago.

 

[patchy]

As have I.
Not happy about being right…although it didn’t exactly take a Nostradamus to see this happening.

(And, yes, I know Nostradamus didn’t genuinely see the future, so save it. It’s a figure of speech.)

 

[TV and credit cards]

Predicting such an obvious response given the large number of possible respondents is hardly a prediction, it borders on expectation.

And I do completely agree with the bold statement that attempted murder is unacceptable.

Wanna hear my bold prediction? The more the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government, the more we will see such unacceptable responses.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wanna hear my bold prediction? The more the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government, the more we will see such unacceptable responses.

At what point when the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government do such responses become acceptable?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Wanna hear my bold prediction? The more the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government, the more we will see such unacceptable responses.

At what point when the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government do such responses become acceptable?

Never. Neither the actions of many of the government agents nor the response is acceptable. I do suspect long before push comes to shove, in the interest of public safety, habeas corpus will be suspended.

 

[Derec]

It is not acceptable but it is predictable.

I predicted something like this weeks ago.

Do you think it is "predictable" because the far left has shown a penchant for violence in the past, especially during the 2020 race riots, and also during the violent opposition to building the public safety training center (aka "Cop City") in Atlanta?

 

[laughing dog]

It is not acceptable but it is predictable.

I predicted something like this weeks ago.

Do you think it is "predictable" because the far left has shown a penchant for violence in the past, especially during the 2020 race riots, and also during the violent opposition to building the public safety training center (aka "Cop City") in Atlanta?

Do we know if these alleged shooters are “far left”?

It is predictable to me due to the prevalence of firearms in the US and the long historical precedent of using firearms in violence here.

 

[Derec]

Do we know if these alleged shooters are “far left”?

They certainly do look the part. And two are transgender. Trans and non-binary individuals are heavily disproportionally involved in far left activism. Also, far left has a motive to go after ICE because they object to illegals being deported.

It is predictable to me due to the prevalence of firearms in the US and the long historical precedent of using firearms in violence here.

Yes, prevalence of firearms does create means for stuff like this. But you also need motive.
Who do you think these people are, if not left-wingers?

 

[laughing dog]

Do we know if these alleged shooters are “far left”?

They certainly do look the part. And two are transgender. Trans and non-binary individuals are heavily disproportionally involved in far left activism. Also, far left has a motive to go after ICE because they object to illegals being deported.

No is shorter snd accurate. Conjectures are not knowledge.

It is predictable to me due to the prevalence of firearms in the US and the long historical precedent of using firearms in violence here.

Yes, prevalence of firearms does create means for stuff like this. But you also need motive.
Who do you think these people are, if not left-wingers?

Maybe, but there are so many varieties of nutjobs, it is too early to point fingers.

 

[Derec]

No is shorter snd accurate. Conjectures are not knowledge.

Reality is not a middle school math word problem. Usually we must operate from incomplete data, which includes forming intelligent and informed conjectures.
Besides, this article shows that at least some of the 12 arrested had a history of left-wing activism, one (Savannah Batten) going all the way back to the Occupy movement in 2011.
Details emerge about ICE detention facility attack in Alvarado — but still many questions

Batten, Soto and Song have been arrested previously on protest-related charges according to court records.
Batten, 31, was previously arrested at an “Occupy Dallas” protest at a Chase Bank in Dallas in 2011, according to an arrest warrant affidavit. It was part of the broader Occupy Wall Street movement protesting economic inequality.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wanna hear my bold prediction? The more the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government, the more we will see such unacceptable responses.

At what point when the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government do such responses become acceptable?

Never. Neither the actions of many of the government agents nor the response is acceptable. I do suspect long before push comes to shove, in the interest of public safety, habeas corpus will be suspended.

Never? Really? So if they start lining up innocent people against the wall for firing squads is it still never?

 

[TomC]

Yes, prevalence of firearms does create means for stuff like this. But you also need motive.
Who do you think these people are, if not left-wingers?

Patriotic Christian soldiers vehemently opposed to some dumbasses in DC trying to take away their 2nd Amendment rights.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

No is shorter snd accurate. Conjectures are not knowledge.

Reality is not a middle school math word problem. Usually we must operate from incomplete data, which includes forming intelligent and informed conjectures.

“Incomplete “ covers everything from nothing to everything minus epsilon. At the time of your pist “incomplete “ was nothing. Yet you jumped to your usual bete noires until waiting for more information.

 

[bilby]

Wanna hear my bold prediction? The more the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government, the more we will see such unacceptable responses.

At what point when the Constitution is trampled on by an increasingly authoritarian government do such responses become acceptable?

Never.

Really??

In that case, the American War of Independence was unacceptable, as was the Stauffenberg plot.

There has to be a point when revolution and assassination become just responses by oppressed peoples.

 

[Derec]

“Incomplete “ covers everything from nothing to everything minus epsilon. At the time of your pist “incomplete “ was nothing.

BS. There was the choice of target, and the suspects looked far more like Antifa types than Proud Boy types.

Yet you jumped to your usual bete noires until waiting for more information.

Again, I operated from incomplete, but sufficient, information to make that call with reasonably high level of confidence.

 

[Derec]

In that case, the American War of Independence was unacceptable, as was the Stauffenberg plot.
There has to be a point when revolution and assassination become just responses by oppressed peoples.

Shooting at ICE agents in unlike both of these.
Note that the far left has been against ICE and immigration enforcement in general long before Trump's reelection.

 

[bilby]

In that case, the American War of Independence was unacceptable, as was the Stauffenberg plot.
There has to be a point when revolution and assassination become just responses by oppressed peoples.

Shooting at ICE agents in unlike both of these.

Is it? How, exactly?

I mean, it's different in that the American patriots and the Staffenberg plotters were actually committing criminal acts, while the targets of ICE enforcement are generally not.

But I get the impression that you are not trying to say that they are different in that attacks on ICE are more justified than those other acts of resistance to tyranny.

Note that the far left has been against ICE and immigration enforcement in general long before Trump's reelection.

Note that fascists and hyper-nationalists have been in favour of strict immigration law and its draconian enforcement in general long before anyone alive today was even born.