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Australian Bureau of Statistics releases the 2016 Census 'Religion' data

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The ABS just released the religion data from the 2016 Census: http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features252016

For the first time, 'No Religion' is the largest category, at 30.1%, ahead of Roman Catholics (22.6%), 'other Christian' (16.3%) and Anglican (13.3%). The total of all Christian denominations was 52.1%, with non-Christians totaling only 8.2% - mostly Islam (2.6%), Buddhism (2.4%) and Hinduism (1.9%).

Analysis from the Secular Party of Australia can be found here.

An interactive/diagrammatic summary of the key demographic results released today can be found here.

The big change over the last 50 years has been the decline of Christians (particularly Anglicans) and the rise of 'No Religion' - from just 0.8% in 1966.

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The ABS just released the religion data from the 2016 Census: http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features252016

For the first time, 'No Religion' is the largest category, at 30.1%, ahead of Roman Catholics (22.6%), 'other Christian' (16.3%) and Anglican (13.3%). The total of all Christian denominations was 52.1%, with non-Christians totaling only 8.2% - mostly Islam (2.6%), Buddhism (2.4%) and Hinduism (1.9%).

Analysis from the Secular Party of Australia can be found here.

An interactive/diagrammatic summary of the key demographic results released today can be found here.

The big change over the last 50 years has been the decline of Christians (particularly Anglicans) and the rise of 'No Religion' - from just 0.8% in 1966.

View attachment 11624

Is there a point to this other than religious views are changing?
 
Atheism rising.
...along with drug use, suicide, domestic violence, family breakdowns.
Oh yeah and the taxes needed to pay for the consequences of these social pathologies.
 
The Catholic Church pretty much admitting that letting pedophiles disguised as priests hide in the clergy for so long has really harmed religion.

Meanwhile, in other news, The Clergy Project says there's also tons of atheists pretending to be priests.

:eek:
 
The ABS just released the religion data from the 2016 Census: http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features252016

For the first time, 'No Religion' is the largest category, at 30.1%, ahead of Roman Catholics (22.6%), 'other Christian' (16.3%) and Anglican (13.3%). The total of all Christian denominations was 52.1%, with non-Christians totaling only 8.2% - mostly Islam (2.6%), Buddhism (2.4%) and Hinduism (1.9%).

Analysis from the Secular Party of Australia can be found here.

An interactive/diagrammatic summary of the key demographic results released today can be found here.

The big change over the last 50 years has been the decline of Christians (particularly Anglicans) and the rise of 'No Religion' - from just 0.8% in 1966.

View attachment 11624

Is there a point to this other than religious views are changing?
Perhaps this thread should be in the General Religion section.

BTW The Australian census indicates that the world's fastest growing religion (aka Scientology) is down from 2507 members, in 2006, to 1681 members in 2016.
 
Atheism rising.
...along with drug use, suicide, domestic violence, family breakdowns.
Oh yeah and the taxes needed to pay for the consequences of these social pathologies.

No such increase in drug use exists; It is purely a figment of your imagination (or an expression of your counter-factual expectations). Reality doesn't care what you think SHOULD happen.

The prevalence of last year cannabis use in Australia declined between 1998 and 2007 (from 17.9% to 9.1), with
2010 recording a significant increase to 10.3%.

The increase in 2010 was driven by higher prevalence among Australians aged 50 to 59 years.

Data from the survey of secondary school students showed a decline in cannabis use from 32.4% in 1996 to 12.7%
i n 2 011.

Daily cannabis use among those who continue to use has remained relatively stable over time (13% of cannabis
users in 2010).

The highest proportion reporting daily cannabis use were Australians aged 40 years and over.
(Source). Note that the over 40s are the most religious cohort of the population, with atheism most prevalent in younger Australians.

There was a slight increase in cocaine use among the general population in 2007 (from 1% in 2004 to 1.6% in
2007) and again in 2010 to 2.1%. However cocaine use in the broader population remains relatively low. The rise in
2010 was mainly accounted for by 20 to 29 year olds.

Frequency of cocaine use in the general population remains sporadic, with the majority of Australians reporting
monthly or less frequent use in 2010.
(Source).

Use of ecstasy in the general population has declined for the first time since 1995. The decline from 3.5% in 2007
to 3% in 2010 was statistically significant, and was driven by a significant decline in use among males over 14
(from 4.4% in 2007 to 3.6% in 2010), and young Australians aged 14 to 19 (particularly among females where use
declined from 6% in 2007 to 2.5% in 2010).

The decline in recent ecstasy use in Australia mirrors a downward trend in ecstasy markets recorded
internationally around 2010.

In 2010 the majority of Australians who used ecstasy reported using once every few months or less.
(Source)

General population

Past year heroin use remains low among the broader Australian population at less than 1% in 2010.
Sentinel Groups

Among people who inject drugs there has been a decline in the prevalence of past 6 month heroin use over
time (from 79% 2000 to 58% in 2013), however daily heroin among heroin users in this group has increased to one
quarter (25%) in 2013.

Very small proportions of regular ecstasy users (4% in 2013) reported recent heroin use.
(source)

Prevalence of past year methamphetamine use remains stable in Australia at 2.1% in 2010.

Weekly methamphetamine use has remained stable between 2001 and 2010 (9.3% reported weekly or more use
in 2010, with the majority of Australians across all age groups reporting use every few months or less frequently.

Powder methamphetamine continues to be the form most used in the general population.
Sentinel groups

Among IDRS respondents, prevalence of past 6 month methamphetamine use overall remained stable between
2001 and 2011, however a decline was recorded between 2009 and 2010.

Among regular ecstasy users there was a decline in past 6 month methamphetamine use between 2003 (84%)
and 2009 (54%) and a decline in frequency of use. This decline is across all forms of methamphetamine but most
marked for crystal methamphetamine. Use has stabilised at a lower level in 2010 and 2011.

Shorter term trends show that crystal methamphetamine use in particular increased significantly between 2010
and 2011 among both IDRS and EDRS respondents
(Source).

Suicide rates have not been increasing, despite media reports; according to a 2015 report by John Snowdon, in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry (source)

The Australian Institute of Criminology data show that domestic violence declined between 2002 and 2012 (source); The Victorian Royal Commission into Family Violence said it was not clear whether the prevalence of family violence was increasing, but it noted that greater reporting of family violence had led to an increase in incidents being recognised. (Source).

So, in brief, your claims are false..

Of the four things you cite as rising along with atheism, only the last - family breakdowns - actually might be rising; the others are stable or in decline. And family breakdowns - by which I presume you mean divorce or separation of married couples - are not actually a bad thing. When two people who don't want to live together are pressured to do so, that's a directly harmful situation; and the greater incidence of 'family breakdowns' of this kind are likely a major contributor to the decline in domestic violence.

You are not entitled to your own facts - No matter how much you might want these 'bad' things to correlate with increased atheism, they do not, in reality, do anything of the sort.
 
Trend in sexual assault - Australian Institute of Criminology

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http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent crime/sexual assault.html


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Domestic violence-related assaults in NSW

Similarly, reports of family violence incidents in Victoria have been increasingly steadily since 2010-11, with an 8.8 per cent increase from 2013-14 to 2014-15 (70,906 incidents)

Atheism a young person's problem???
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Intervention orders granted.
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Ice age: the rise of crystal meth in Australia

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Atheists cheering the decline of religion in .au but theres no reason to smile

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Amount of drug detected at the border has no relation to drug use. It only has relation to the efficiency of "detectors" Same with the rest of the graphs.
And you yet to establish a link between atheism and all that bad stuff anyway.
 
No such increase in drug use exists; It is purely a figment of your imagination (or an expression of your counter-factual expectations). Reality doesn't care what you think SHOULD happen.

The prevalence of last year cannabis use in Australia declined between 1998 and 2007 (from 17.9% to 9.1), with
2010 recording a significant increase to 10.3%.

The increase in 2010 was driven by higher prevalence among Australians aged 50 to 59 years.

Data from the survey of secondary school students showed a decline in cannabis use from 32.4% in 1996 to 12.7%
i n 2 011.

Daily cannabis use among those who continue to use has remained relatively stable over time (13% of cannabis
users in 2010).

The highest proportion reporting daily cannabis use were Australians aged 40 years and over.
(Source). Note that the over 40s are the most religious cohort of the population, with atheism most prevalent in younger Australians.

There was a slight increase in cocaine use among the general population in 2007 (from 1% in 2004 to 1.6% in
2007) and again in 2010 to 2.1%. However cocaine use in the broader population remains relatively low. The rise in
2010 was mainly accounted for by 20 to 29 year olds.

Frequency of cocaine use in the general population remains sporadic, with the majority of Australians reporting
monthly or less frequent use in 2010.
(Source).

Use of ecstasy in the general population has declined for the first time since 1995. The decline from 3.5% in 2007
to 3% in 2010 was statistically significant, and was driven by a significant decline in use among males over 14
(from 4.4% in 2007 to 3.6% in 2010), and young Australians aged 14 to 19 (particularly among females where use
declined from 6% in 2007 to 2.5% in 2010).

The decline in recent ecstasy use in Australia mirrors a downward trend in ecstasy markets recorded
internationally around 2010.

In 2010 the majority of Australians who used ecstasy reported using once every few months or less.
(Source)

General population

Past year heroin use remains low among the broader Australian population at less than 1% in 2010.
Sentinel Groups

Among people who inject drugs there has been a decline in the prevalence of past 6 month heroin use over
time (from 79% 2000 to 58% in 2013), however daily heroin among heroin users in this group has increased to one
quarter (25%) in 2013.

Very small proportions of regular ecstasy users (4% in 2013) reported recent heroin use.
(source)

Prevalence of past year methamphetamine use remains stable in Australia at 2.1% in 2010.

Weekly methamphetamine use has remained stable between 2001 and 2010 (9.3% reported weekly or more use
in 2010, with the majority of Australians across all age groups reporting use every few months or less frequently.

Powder methamphetamine continues to be the form most used in the general population.
Sentinel groups

Among IDRS respondents, prevalence of past 6 month methamphetamine use overall remained stable between
2001 and 2011, however a decline was recorded between 2009 and 2010.

Among regular ecstasy users there was a decline in past 6 month methamphetamine use between 2003 (84%)
and 2009 (54%) and a decline in frequency of use. This decline is across all forms of methamphetamine but most
marked for crystal methamphetamine. Use has stabilised at a lower level in 2010 and 2011.

Shorter term trends show that crystal methamphetamine use in particular increased significantly between 2010
and 2011 among both IDRS and EDRS respondents
(Source).

Suicide rates have not been increasing, despite media reports; according to a 2015 report by John Snowdon, in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry (source)

The Australian Institute of Criminology data show that domestic violence declined between 2002 and 2012 (source); The Victorian Royal Commission into Family Violence said it was not clear whether the prevalence of family violence was increasing, but it noted that greater reporting of family violence had led to an increase in incidents being recognised. (Source).

So, in brief, your claims are false..

Of the four things you cite as rising along with atheism, only the last - family breakdowns - actually might be rising; the others are stable or in decline. And family breakdowns - by which I presume you mean divorce or separation of married couples - are not actually a bad thing. When two people who don't want to live together are pressured to do so, that's a directly harmful situation; and the greater incidence of 'family breakdowns' of this kind are likely a major contributor to the decline in domestic violence.

You are not entitled to your own facts - No matter how much you might want these 'bad' things to correlate with increased atheism, they do not, in reality, do anything of the sort.

In addition, just because two things are rising together doesnt mean one causes the other. They would be correlated in this instance and except for LION IRC we've all learned correlation is not causation. So the actual facts you've presented of domestic violence going down isnt necessarily caused by atheists being better people than religionists, but it's possible. Now there's tons of other statistical data showing less atheists commit crimes but that doesn't prove it either. I wonder what LION IRC will do with this information...
 
There is actually no God, even if belief makes one a nicer person (which it may or may not). I guess I don't understand the recommendation from people like you, Lion IRC. If lack of belief causes behaviors society doesn't like, there's not much we can do about it beyond lying to children when they are young enough to accept fiction as fact, and hoping they don't change their minds when they get older. We can't force people to believe things that aren't true, and then expect them to suddenly become nicer as a result.

And the correlation with drugs and suicide, even though it's false, wouldn't mean much of anything if it were true. Who are you to say what drugs people can take, or whether they want to keep living? As long as they don't hurt others, other people's choices are none of society's business. Again, what do you suggest, making a suicidal person less suicidal by telling them a story about Jesus? Scaring them out of it with a story about fire and brimstone? There are better ways to deal with addiction and depression, if it comes to that.

I think you're actually just grasping for ways to make religion actually relevant anymore. Its explanatory power has been greatly diminished by science, and no amputees have ever regrown limbs due to prayer. All you have left is to pretend that people are morally helpless without being told what to do by somebody very strong. And you can't even get that right, as bilby showed.
 
The ABS just released the religion data from the 2016 Census: http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features252016

For the first time, 'No Religion' is the largest category, at 30.1%, ahead of Roman Catholics (22.6%), 'other Christian' (16.3%) and Anglican (13.3%). The total of all Christian denominations was 52.1%, with non-Christians totaling only 8.2% - mostly Islam (2.6%), Buddhism (2.4%) and Hinduism (1.9%).

Analysis from the Secular Party of Australia can be found here.

An interactive/diagrammatic summary of the key demographic results released today can be found here.

The big change over the last 50 years has been the decline of Christians (particularly Anglicans) and the rise of 'No Religion' - from just 0.8% in 1966.

View attachment 11624


I wonder why they didn't ask people if they believed in god. "No religion" doesn't equate to atheism.
 
The ABS just released the religion data from the 2016 Census: http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features252016

For the first time, 'No Religion' is the largest category, at 30.1%, ahead of Roman Catholics (22.6%), 'other Christian' (16.3%) and Anglican (13.3%). The total of all Christian denominations was 52.1%, with non-Christians totaling only 8.2% - mostly Islam (2.6%), Buddhism (2.4%) and Hinduism (1.9%).

Analysis from the Secular Party of Australia can be found here.

An interactive/diagrammatic summary of the key demographic results released today can be found here.

The big change over the last 50 years has been the decline of Christians (particularly Anglicans) and the rise of 'No Religion' - from just 0.8% in 1966.

View attachment 11624


I wonder why they didn't ask people if they believed in god. "No religion" doesn't equate to atheism.

Also we must be willing to consider that a lot of those people in the 1966 and 1991 censuses were lying as it wasn't 'In' to be atheist during those times.
 
Atheism rising.
...along with drug use, suicide, domestic violence, family breakdowns.
Oh yeah and the taxes needed to pay for the consequences of these social pathologies.

Nope.

Violence and poverty are almost universally associated with religiosity. The most atheistic nations in the world are also the most peaceful, and vice versa. You're plain wrong.
 
I wonder why they didn't ask people if they believed in god. "No religion" doesn't equate to atheism.

Also we must be willing to consider that a lot of those people in the 1966 and 1991 censuses were lying as it wasn't 'In' to be atheist during those times.

And I'd guess a lot of those in the 52 are 'de facto' atheists. 'Yea sure, Christian, whatever', but they don't let it guide any of their decisions.
 
The Catholic Church pretty much admitting that letting pedophiles disguised as priests hide in the clergy for so long has really harmed religion.

Meanwhile, in other news, The Clergy Project says there's also tons of atheists pretending to be priests.

:eek:

If all the atheists came out of the closet, we'd see even starker numbers, yes. One reason why the numbers of atheists are being reported higher is probably because of that shift int he culture, making it ok to be atheist (similar to how the numbers of people marking themselves as homosexual has risen starkly).
 
The Catholic Church pretty much admitting that letting pedophiles disguised as priests hide in the clergy for so long has really harmed religion.

Meanwhile, in other news, The Clergy Project says there's also tons of atheists pretending to be priests.

:eek:

If all the atheists came out of the closet, we'd see even starker numbers, yes. One reason why the numbers of atheists are being reported higher is probably because of that shift int he culture, making it ok to be atheist (similar to how the numbers of people marking themselves as homosexual has risen starkly).

Homosexuals started their own path to wider acceptance when they came out of the closet. People realized that homosexuals were our friends, our neighbors and our children. I believe that the same will be true for atheists.

In the past I took some hits because I am an atheist, especially when I was a boy scout leader. But it was nothing compared to the problems that my father and my grandfather faced as atheists.

In my working career I lived in three countries besides the US; Canada, Germany and China. In China they were relieved when they found out that I was an atheist. In Germany they assumed that I was an atheist because I impressed them as being intelligent. The Canadians were too polite to ask or to care.
 
There is actually no God, even if belief makes one a nicer person (which it may or may not). I guess I don't understand the recommendation from people like you, Lion IRC. If lack of belief causes behaviors society doesn't like, there's not much we can do about it beyond lying to children when they are young enough to accept fiction as fact, and hoping they don't change their minds when they get older. We can't force people to believe things that aren't true, and then expect them to suddenly become nicer as a result.

And the correlation with drugs and suicide, even though it's false, wouldn't mean much of anything if it were true. Who are you to say what drugs people can take, or whether they want to keep living? As long as they don't hurt others, other people's choices are none of society's business. Again, what do you suggest, making a suicidal person less suicidal by telling them a story about Jesus? Scaring them out of it with a story about fire and brimstone? There are better ways to deal with addiction and depression, if it comes to that.

I think you're actually just grasping for ways to make religion actually relevant anymore. Its explanatory power has been greatly diminished by science, and no amputees have ever regrown limbs due to prayer. All you have left is to pretend that people are morally helpless without being told what to do by somebody very strong. And you can't even get that right, as bilby showed.
All the religious people I know make 100% of their decisions based on science and scientific observations. Religion is more a meditative, stress-relieving experience, a way to cope, a ready-made identity and set of learned, comforting habits shared by their group. They shit, brush their teeth, and pull up their underwear just like atheists. When their cars break down they get out their tools or take it to a mechanic. They don't wait for angels to fix the flat tire.
 
I wonder why they didn't ask people if they believed in god. "No religion" doesn't equate to atheism.

Also we must be willing to consider that a lot of those people in the 1966 and 1991 censuses were lying as it wasn't 'In' to be atheist during those times.



We can consider the people being polled were lying but once we believe that to be true we invalidate the poll.

Saying that you don't identify with any religion isn't the same as identifying as an atheist.

I'm also curious why the percentages in all three periods add up to around 90%

1966 - 89.7%
1991 - 89.5%
2016 - 90.4%


Who are the 10%?
 
Also we must be willing to consider that a lot of those people in the 1966 and 1991 censuses were lying as it wasn't 'In' to be atheist during those times.



We can consider the people being polled were lying but once we believe that to be true we invalidate the poll.[1]

Saying that you don't identify with any religion isn't the same as identifying as an atheist. [2]

I'm also curious why the percentages in all three periods add up to around 90% [3]

1966 - 89.7%
1991 - 89.5%
2016 - 90.4%


Who are the 10%?

1. Since when? The fact that people lie when surveyed is an axiom of statistics and one of many many MANY reasons to always take polls with a grain of salt, no matter the poll.

2. Maybe, it remains nevertheless a safe assumption.

3. Not everyone elects to answer or answer in ways that lead to such a small minority that there's zero point in even measuring it. 0.0000000001% "Nuclear shamanist" just because one guy in Queensland decided he'd be different? Nah screw that.
 
Atheism rising.
...along with drug use, suicide, domestic violence, family breakdowns.

Besides your fallacious attempt to equate correlations with causation, your claims about even the correlations are the opposite of reality.
In the countries like the US where atheism is rising, domestic violence rates have dropped massively, about 70% in the US over the last couple of decades. The rates of domestic violence (such as partners murdering their wives) is generally highest is the states with higher religiosity (e.g., southern states). The countries in the world with the worst treatment of women and most domestic violence are the more devoutly religious and theistic countries. This includes the Muslim countries, some which still make it legal to kill your wife, but also includes the strongly Catholic and Christian Orthodox nations of Eastern Europe and South America.

This map shows countries with worse records on domestic abuse and physical violence against women as darker green. Increasingly non-theistic countries like Japan, Scandinavia, France, and the UK have the lowest levels. Whereas heavily Christian Eastern Europe, South America, and the Muslim world have the highest levels of violence (domestic and otherwise). America is actually less religious than most of these, but is also a bit of an exception because while most of its citizens are religious, its strong secular constitution and 1st Amendment that these religious people constantly seek to destroy make it unlike most of the other countries with high religiosity who also have high domestic violence. China is another outlier, but its state-sponsored misogyny long predates its non-theistic modern communism.

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