Avengers - End Game (Spoiler City)

[Worldtraveller]

It is hard to have time travel involved and for the holes not to get out of control.

meh that's not what bothered me honestly - it's time travel, it's purely fantasy in the first place and the only "rules" are ones we've invented. endgame has a lot of weird stupid plot holes due to time travel if you apply supposition about how time travel works from other sources, but i'd generally put that under the umbrella of suspension of disbelief as long as it isn't painfully stupid.

but endgame has a shitload of massive issues both in terms of the plot and in-movie logic as well as production decisions and screenplay problems totally outside of the time travel stuff, and those are the issues that really got to me.

I bet you're a hoot at parties.

It's a comic book movie, FFS.

I loved it, thought it was a ton of fun, and I didn't spend hours agonizing over plot holes (there weren't any really gaping ones, IMO) or 'screenplay problems.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is hard to have time travel involved and for the holes not to get out of control.

meh that's not what bothered me honestly - it's time travel, it's purely fantasy in the first place and the only "rules" are ones we've invented. endgame has a lot of weird stupid plot holes due to time travel if you apply supposition about how time travel works from other sources, but i'd generally put that under the umbrella of suspension of disbelief as long as it isn't painfully stupid.

but endgame has a shitload of massive issues both in terms of the plot and in-movie logic as well as production decisions and screenplay problems totally outside of the time travel stuff, and those are the issues that really got to me.

I bet you're a hoot at parties.

It's a comic book movie, FFS.

I loved it, thought it was a ton of fun, and I didn't spend hours agonizing over plot holes (there weren't any really gaping ones, IMO) or 'screenplay problems.

There is nothing wrong with wanting coherence in a plot. Comic book movies require some level of disbelief, but they can’t abuse it. End Game has quite a bit of coherence issues once you start digging. So the good news, you need to dig a little for the issues, but not too deep.

I enjoyed it a great deal. The series has done better than any other series of films except maybe Bond.

 

[Keith&Co.]

they would have had to remove it from the cube to attach it to the iron man gauntlet... i wonder how they even pulled that off.

Fairly early on. Loki handed the tesseract to Darkseid, who grabbed the cube, crushed it in his fist, and put the little kernel at the center in place on his glove.

 

[prideandfall]

they would have had to remove it from the cube to attach it to the iron man gauntlet... i wonder how they even pulled that off.

Fairly early on. Loki handed the tesseract to Darkseid, who grabbed the cube, crushed it in his fist, and put the little kernel at the center in place on his glove.

that's in infinity war, so that would be the main timeline space stone, that thanos destroys at the beginning of endgame.
that it's possible for a significantly powerful entity to break the cube isn't an issue, but how a couple humans manage to pull that off is another question entirely.

 

[prideandfall]

I bet you're a hoot at parties.

what in the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
is the implication being what... that i wander around social gatherings with a megaphone screaming obscenities and movie analysis into crowds of people?
or are you suggesting that nobody on the planet except for me enjoys the deep-diving into critical analysis of film?

It's a comic book movie, FFS.

and? the "comic book" part of that means nothing, it's a movie, and applying critical analysis to movies is a pretty broadly accepted interest.
or, is your position that movies are for fucking loser dorks and only nerds talk about movies, ha ha, smash a beer can in your head and give someone with glasses a wedgie?

I loved it, thought it was a ton of fun, and I didn't spend hours agonizing over plot holes (there weren't any really gaping ones, IMO) or 'screenplay problems.

i loved it, i thought it was a lot of fun, and i DO spend hours contemplating plot holes (there were many gaping ones, in objective fact) and "screenplay problems".
so, what's your point here exactly? that your enjoyment is somehow objectively morally better than mine because you lack the capacity to recognize structural issues within an art form?
not to put too fine a point on it, but you're bitching about this in a thread that is dedicated solely to the purpose of this very thing, so... piss off mate.

 

[KeepTalking]

they would have had to remove it from the cube to attach it to the iron man gauntlet... i wonder how they even pulled that off.

Fairly early on. Loki handed the tesseract to Darkseid, who grabbed the cube, crushed it in his fist, and put the little kernel at the center in place on his glove.

Methinks you have crossed your comic book universes. Darkseid is DC, and has yet to appear in the DCU, though they were obviously building up to him with Batman vs Superman and Justice League.

 

[Keith&Co.]

they would have had to remove it from the cube to attach it to the iron man gauntlet... i wonder how they even pulled that off.

Fairly early on. Loki handed the tesseract to Darkseid, who grabbed the cube, crushed it in his fist, and put the little kernel at the center in place on his glove.

that's in infinity war, so that would be the main timeline space stone, that thanos destroys at the beginning of endgame.
that it's possible for a significantly powerful entity to break the cube isn't an issue, but how a couple humans manage to pull that off is another question entirely.

Oh, okay. I lost the thread, there. Fucking time travel.
in that case, they probably told Thor there was a beer inside the cube...

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they would have had to remove it from the cube to attach it to the iron man gauntlet... i wonder how they even pulled that off.

Fairly early on. Loki handed the tesseract to Darkseid, who grabbed the cube, crushed it in his fist, and put the little kernel at the center in place on his glove.

Methinks you have crossed your comic book universes. Darkseid is DC,

What, not even a flutter on your sarcasm meter?

 

[jab]

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say I didn't really care much for it.

i overall have to agree with the sentiment, though i'm guessing it's for very different reasons.

my problems are largely structural and screenplay related: it had too many glaring logical holes, too many stupid contrivances for the sake of the plot or an action pose in a shot, too much of the film was bogged down by needing to be fan service or story arc closure that it didn't get nearly enough of a chance to be its own movie... which is interesting because that's what happened to avengers 2, so it seems we're getting a pattern here that every other avengers movie is good.

action scenes exciting; some good and seriously needed comic relief; serious dialogue, interpersonal scenes often draggy--thank God for Gwyneth Paltrow, who is a skilled actress and carried her scenes. Plot backing up the action sequences, dumb. Too many hero characters and their minions. It was the sort of movie where you could take a strategic bathroom break, which I did, and not miss anything essential. Made for the market. . . .

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It was a brilliant movie and I loved it, but ... ya ... a lot of the time travel stuff reminded me of the scene in Deadpool 2 when he was talking about the time travel in that film and then just looked into the camera and said "Well, that's just lazy writing". Their attitude was that time travel was a plot device to move the story forward and the actual mechanics and logic of the time travelling were tertiary at best, so they didn't particularly care about the plot holes it created. That's a fine attitude to take from a storytelling perspective but it requires the audience to just accept the plot holes and move on and that is not the kind of thing that comic books audiences do.

Also, at what point was it that Captain Marvel became THAT powerful? I don't remember it from her movie. Sure, she body slammed a spaceship, but it didn't seem like something that Thor or the Hulk couldn't have also done if they'd been there but Thanos just wiped the floor with both of them and then was ineffectually pounding on her force field like he was an 80 year old woman trying to open a jar and needed to punch her in the face with the Power Stone in order to do anything to her. If you need an Infinity Stone to do anything at all to her, what's the conflict in her next movie going to be? At least Superman films can toss some kryptonite into the script to make it look like there's some sort of stakes that he's facing.

 

[bigfield]

I enjoyed it, although I think most of these MCU movies suffer from disappointing climactic action scenes. In this one: too much going on and no tension; just a roster of characters taking turns on the screen.

IMACSWO, the climatic fight scene should feel like the bad guy has a chance of winning right up until the end of the scene. It was game over for Thanos as soon as Captain Marvel and the unsnapped characters turned up, because he didn't pivot or counter. The rest was basically "OK lets see how this works out".

When the incel-furiating line up of female characters lines up to "help" Captain Marvel, I'm pondering... yes, I get the point, but Captain Marvel could get through all that with just the help of Baby Groot.

My girlfriend put her hands up and exclaimed "sis-TERS!" when the heroes lined up for the charge.